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Aunty has dropped her bloomers

The BBC in its infinite wisdom has changed the protocols it uses to stream internet radio.

Until last week it broadcast in AAC and WMA formats. The latter has been dropped and the former has been changed to AAC encapsulated in an HLS wrapper. HLS = Http Live Streaming (an Apple proprietory format). To give backward compatability the Beeb has put in place an International but low quality MP3 service.

Unfortunately Aunty didn't think it was worth telling anybody that this was going to happen. That's not quite true they did post something in September on an obscure blog and they did notify some of the internet radio manufacturers. It appears however that their notification to the manufacturers was to say the least misleading and most (all?) interpreted it as meaning that AAC was going to continue and did nothing.

This folks is why your expensive Sonos equipment cannot currently pick up the rugby, football or cricket world cup any more. The Sonos (along with virtually all other manufacturers) has had to fallback to the International MP3 streams and for licencing reasons these do not include live sport.

The AAC streams used to provide Radio 3 in HD quality (320 kbps). That's gone. You must listen to the international MP3 streams (128 kbps).

To cap it all the AAC stream was also used to provide a specific service for blind people. That's gone as well.

It has caused a bit of a stir on most of the UK based AV forums. You can listen to the high quality stuff on an Apple iOS device but not on an expensive Sonos, Cambridge Audio or Naim (or other manufacturers) music streamer that in many cases the BBC encouraged you to buy by their constant banging on about HD audio on Radio 3.

If you want to listen to the cricket world cup on your aforementioned Sonos, Cambridge Audio or Naim streamer well you can't !

Fortunately I use Squeezeboxes. The active developer community has already written a workaround since the bloomers went down on Friday.

Aunty is calling this new delivery mechanism "Audio Factory". The facts are they haven't done the research, consulted properly with the manufacturers or advised us the public of their intentions. They have well and truly dropped their bloomers.

BBC Blogs - INTERNET BLOG - Audio Factory: your comments

BBC Blogs - INTERNET BLOG - Audio Factory: update
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I don't use internet radio and if I use iPlayer it's normally via my Virgin box at home. To be honest, I don't know very much about the technical side of it either.

The Blog comments from Henry Webster (BBC Head of Media Services) do explain a lot of the thinking behind the changes though: as ever, much of it will be to do with money - in these very straitened times the cost of providing any BBC services has to pass a cost/value to licence payer test.

And increasingly, the BBC - for commercial rather than technical efficacy reasons - does not have the ability to play a leading role in the development and introduction of new technology and protocols in the commercial field: this is driven purely by money now...VERY big money, global money provided by vast international corporations like Apple and Microsoft. So the BBC has to follow rather than have any influence. It's a fact of life these days. All they can do is try to jump on the most cost-effective new bandwagon which allows most listeners and viewers the best experience.

Of course though, the way the BBC goes about this is VERY important. If they haven't properly informed and consulted with manufacturers, that's bad enough (Webster suggests they did but weren't really listened to). BUT - if for example, they haven't kept the RNIB (Royal National Institute for the Blind) abreast of changes so that the blind don't suddenly and inexplicably lose services, the BBC Trust will quite rightly bite their balls off. There's no specific mention of this in the Blog. If the RNIB weren't properly informed, I think his head will roll.
 
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F*** me.


TuneIn working fine on my ancient iPod Touch V1.0 this morning.

Get into the car. TuneIn on the Android no longer working.


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You can find streams here that work with TuneIn.

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Some of us would need very big aerials indeed.
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neither have the range and DAB is ****.





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Some of us would need very big aerials indeed.

Never understood why there was no pan-EU satellite radio.
Fiat actually announced a hook-up with WorldSpace (for which
I did have a static receiver and used to listen to World Service whilst travelling)
But WorldSpace evaporated.

Thanks for the linkies.
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They have restored Radio 3 in HD

BBC Blogs - INTERNET BLOG - Audio Factory: BBC Radio 3 HD Sound on Shoutcast

....no doubt as a result of complaints from BBC Trust do gooder types. Lets face it classical music in HD is far more important than services for the blind or live sports coverage for us plebs.

TuneIn is aggregating the low quality MP3 streams but you may need to "re-tune" favourites.
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Ahhh wondered why when I tried to listed to the world cup cricket the other day on my phone it wouldn't work. This is why.

I use my phone for streaming radio (in particular TMS) in the car - looks like I can't do that any more then?

Is there somewhere we can protest!?
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Ahhh wondered why when I tried to listed to the world cup cricket the other day on my phone it wouldn't work. This is why.

I use my phone for streaming radio (in particular TMS) in the car - looks like I can't do that any more then?

Is there somewhere we can protest!?
BBC - Complaints - Home

It is a bit of a process - choose "Radio" don't choose "BBC iPlayer" then "General Radio"
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Never understood why there was no pan-EU satellite radio.
Fiat actually announced a hook-up with WorldSpace (for which
I did have a static receiver and used to listen to World Service whilst travelling)
But WorldSpace evaporated.
I'm quite surprised that the radio isn't geo-locked like the telly. Not complaining, mind.
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BBC's Android Radio iPlayer app is locked.
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I'm quite surprised that the radio isn't geo-locked like the telly. Not complaining, mind.
It is geo-locked of sorts. You can't get Live Sport on the international MP3 feeds which means that unless you use an iOS device (or are very lucky that you your internet radio can decode HLS/AAC) you can't get live sport in the UK either.
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Works on my Moto G.
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It is geo-locked of sorts. You can't get Live Sport on the international MP3 feeds which means that unless you use an iOS device (or are very lucky that you your internet radio can decode HLS/AAC) you can't get live sport in the UK either.
I can count the number of times I've wanted to listen to 5 Live on the fingers of one finger.
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TuneIn stream was back on this evening for R4.

I'm thinking this morning could have been (as BGZ hinted at) a longish
sports report with a rights black-out.

There was a BBC loop message just saying channel was un-available.
But normally it does say "Due to rights restrictions....."


Ah well.

Will try and download the Radio iPlayer when in the UK next anyway as a back-up.

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If you try 5Live on TuneIn right now you'll get PSGvChelsea except you won't. It is the international MP3 stream.
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TuneIn stream was back on this evening for R4.

I'm thinking this morning could have been (as BGZ hinted at) a longish
sports report with a rights black-out.

There was a BBC loop message just saying channel was un-available.
But normally it does say "Due to rights restrictions....."


Ah well.

Will try and download the Radio iPlayer when in the UK next anyway as a back-up.

You should be able to get the BBC Media Player from the Play store if your device is supported.
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It's geolocked. Even with a UK VPN running.
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I'm sure you have a different problem. I'm currently listening to the recording of I've Never Seen Star Wars with Barry Cryer. Earlier I checked radios 1 & 3 live. I have the BBC Media Player (not iPlayer) installed and I go to the BBC Radio websites and click on Listen or peruse the catalogue. I find it hard to believe that they would block France and not Ireland.
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Ahhh wondered why when I tried to listed to the world cup cricket the other day on my phone it wouldn't work. This is why.

I use my phone for streaming radio (in particular TMS) in the car - looks like I can't do that any more then?

Is there somewhere we can protest!?
I use Radioplayer on my (Windows) phone and that seems to work fine.

I can't hear Radio 6 on Windows Media player on my laptop though
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Sonos is also a bit stuffed but there is a work around with a PC or NAS. May also be worth a try for non UK residents. Uses software called minimserver to srtip the HLS and provide a bit stream that Sonos can decode.

BBC WMA Streams Ending in Feb - Page 5 - Sonos Forums
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