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I've been trying to get my car to play nice with my iPhone. I bought a Pioneer and they tried, but didn't quite pull it off. I wonder if this will allow car makers and 3rd parties to standardise when talking with iPhones and provide a better level of integration. I think Google and Microsoft have similar things planned.

https://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/

I notice that Fiat and Alfa aren't in any lists for future plans for new cars although Ferrari are.
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iPhone doesn't play nice with in-car systems,
so let's change those systems instead of fixing the iPhone?

Hmmm....


JLR have "signed-up" for this but have also produced their
InControl system which can be used with non-i-Phones.
So we'll see if anyone puts anything on the market


ALso it's a massive lock-in to have to only buying an iPhone
just because your car won't talk with anything else....
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Not sure that iPhone doesn't play nice with oem infotainment.

No problems with various generations in three successive LRs and two Mercs.

I imagine that carplay/ios in the car is likely to become a paid for option on top of existing systems rather than a standard fit locking people in.


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What level of integration was that?

I had an iPhone 4 and a Pioneer touch screen which did the basics fine, i.e. Play music through Bluetooth and a cable and also worked fine with the steering wheel controls and connected to the phone with BT fine for calls.

My Pioneer has an extra feature called Appradio which allowed Appradio compatible IPhone apps i.e. Sat Nav apps, to display and be used with the Pioneer touch screen but needed a £50 cable. App developers needed to write the apps for Appradio. It worked okay, but there aren't too many useful apps that can be used.

I changed to an iPhone 5s but in doing so needed 3, yes 3, new cables costing over £100. When I then used Appradio to control music I lost steering wheel controls and use of the iPod in the glove box.

At least Carplay should give developers of hardware and applications standard APIs that they can use so that they can make applications work on the large in car screens the way Apple want them to work. That should be easier to do than writing them specifically for Pioneer and also gives them a greater incentive to make them work with Carplay rather than a niche Pioneer product.

In an ideal world it shouldn't matter which phone you have, but that's not always going to be the case. If you like Apple products, it could be an interesting solution.
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Not sure that iPhone doesn't play nice with oem infotainment.
Were you paying attention when B&M came out....?
You do remember the iPod/Phone adaptor Fiat had
to cobble together to get this to work, right?



And I'm pretty sure that the iPhone still doesn't show up as a hard drive
full of your media if you plug it into a USB port on any device.
[Correct me if I'm wrong, my iPod Touch is only v1.0]



Still I'm sure there'll be plenty of people looking to drop 3 grand on
this "mirror your iphone's screen" option if and when it's made available.
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In the LRs it is fairly basic and limited to telephone and music - all works fine and requires nothing more than a standard Apple cable. All phone functions are available via voice, steering wheel and touch screen as is full access to the phones music. Additional music is available via A2DP bluetooth streaming.

On the Mercs it's a broader offering - music and video available via the media interface with full album art and again all controlled by voice, COMAND system or steering wheel. Additionally it shows SMS and email on screen plus the data connection allows for direct interaction with the nav via Google Maps, web radio streaming, web browsing, hotel search and booking etc etc.
 
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Still I'm sure there'll be plenty of people looking to drop 3 grand on
this "mirror your iphone's screen" option if and when it's made available.

Come on you're letting your anti Apple bias cloud your view !

There's no way it'll cost that kind of money. The strong likelihood is that it will be sold as a modular bolt on to the wider infotainment options I.e. Something you can spec with an existing package like BMWs allow the adding of internet apps or Fiat provide TomTom prep. A few hundred quid tops.




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A few hundred quid tops.

To manufacture maybe. But a premium option in a premium brand car?

JLRs current inhouse system is already a grand. I'm not sure how
much InControl is on top of that but it can't be less.

Theoretically this is a software option but what's in it for Apple
if that's all that's being offered?
They've never been into giving stuff away at rock-bottom prices
to create a market like Amazon and Google...


I think there are many other areas that automotive could be profiting from:
Wireless charging, HUD displays and a return of external antenna connector
could be more useful than a big screen to play angry birds on.
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It's a hardware option though isn't it ?

All the software is built into iOS already and what is required is an interface to connect the iPhone to a vehicle's existing (or optionally added) colour screen. This will involve an interface with an Apple certified SOC architecture to connect the Apple Lightning cable to the screen in the same way as Apple's HDMI AV cable does with large domestic screens.
 
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I love the way that Apple and Apple buyers say everyone is out of step but themselves.

Maybe it's time they got into step with the rest of the world
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I love the way that Apple and Apple buyers say everyone is out of step but themselves.

Maybe it's time they got into step with the rest of the world
But nobody is saying that
 
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Generalisations ... all over the place

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an interface with an Apple certified SOC architecture
But what does that actually mean?





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A cable in the glovebox with a little box that allows the iThing to feed video to and take commands from the head unit.

 
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A cable in the glovebox with a little box that allows the iThing to feed video to and take commands from the head unit.

You don't know, do you.







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SOC ?

System on chip - as well you know.


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[nosey] Oh I know, I just wanna know where you read that........ [/nosey]

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Well in relation to the Apple lightning protocol I read it somewhere on the web some a while ago. In relation to carplay I haven't seen it anywhere but I'd say it's a pretty safe bet




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Still I'm sure there'll be plenty of people looking to drop 3 grand on
this "mirror your iphone's screen" option if and when it's made available.
Pioneer already supply a niche product that does this on iPhones and android called Appradio. The RRP is £350 for the head unit but you can pick it up much cheaper, so if Pioneer create something similar for Carplay I don't see why it should be £3k.

If this works properly, it can save people money. Pioneer sat Nav equipped head units with 7 inch touch screens are quite expensive. If you bought the Carplay equivalent Appradio HU with a 7 inch screen for around £300 and could use the TomTom App on an iPhone through it, it's actually a lot cheaper than the equivalent HU with integrated sat Nav and not as flexible.

If you were to use a hire/courtesy/company car, you can just use a screen mount for a phone and you get a portable sat Nav.
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Well in relation to the Apple lightning protocol I read it somewhere on the web some a while ago. In relation to carplay I haven't seen it anywhere but I'd say it's a pretty safe bet




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Some of the Apple cables are quite sophisticated. I.e.

One reason for Apple’s overpriced cables: The Lightning digital AV adapter has its own ARM SoC | ExtremeTech
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That's all I was trying to say - I can't see how Carplay needs much more than a version of that built in above and beyond the screens which more and more cars have either as standard or an existing option. As such, like you, I can't see that it is going to cost thousands of pounds.


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I'd hardly call a little microcontroller based authentication chip an SoC
It's more like a commodity part.


"Tech" press/websites can be pretty ignorant when it comes to silicon tech.

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I'd hardly call a little microcontroller based authentication chip an SoC

It's more like a commodity part.





"Tech" press/websites can be pretty ignorant when it comes to silicon tech.




Thanks for that Mr Babbage

So now I'm confused does that mean it will or won't cost three thousand quid ?

Edit - at the risk of going way off topic did you read that article in any detail ? Rather than being an authentication chip the assertion is that it actually does decoding on board before transmitting the signal.


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Edit - at the risk of going way off topic did you read that article in any detail ? Rather than being an authentication chip the assertion is that it actually does decoding on board before transmitting the signal.
Pure rumour. In reality no one really knows what that chip is really doing, yet.
I stand by my comments about the over/mis-use of the term "SoC".




Another article here:

Why does Apple's Lightning to HDMI adapter have an ARM computer inside? | The Verge



All this just goes to prove how unfriendly their kit can be, no?


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All this just goes to prove how unfriendly their kit can be, no?
Having spent over £150 on cables for my car, most of which I never use anymore, I agree.

However, surely the introduction by Apple of Carplay will make it easier for car manufacturers and 3rd party head unit manufacturers to introduce Apple compatible systems and make their kit friendlier in cars?

This opens up the possibility of letting people choose what apps they want to use rather being stuck with expensive sat Nav systems which can cost a small fortune to update.
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