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Had quite a few 'new' Lenovo retail laptops in for repair and i'm shocked at the build quality.

Ive always classed Lenovo as the Bently of the laptop world.

If anyone on here has ever used IBM Lenovo ThinkPads will know that they have solid and impeccable build quality and reliability even better than Apple.

It seems as though they have gone the way of most other manufacturers ie less companies buying the £1300 flagship business laptops and so manage to thow together laptops for under £400 using the cheapest parts possible. These laptops are designed to fail pretty much and so you have to buy a new one after it fails shortly after the 1 year warranty.

All laptops used to have 3 year warranties, now only 1 year, there is a reason for this.

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Laptops have serious competition from tablets, there was a recent survey conducted by business insider and over 47% of respondents said they use an iPad as their primary computer.

This has to affect the marketplace.
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This doesnt really explain the poor quality. Are you saying laptops are being built cheaper to make them as affordable as an iPad?

I know that people are using the ipads in their homes and for light personal use but there are few business uses in comparison.

There is no way that my corporate customers would be able to use ipads instead of a laptop.
The lack of funds available for business's to buy new high end equipment (including ipads) has pushed manufacturers into building cheap retail models to bring in money. The likes of Sony and Lenovo are seriously going to ruin their reputations.
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We bought a brand new Acer laptop a couple of years back for about £400 and had nothing but trouble with it. For no reason it would lock up and loose the entire contents of its hard drive every few weeks.

Got a Cheapo Asus netbook now and it works great.
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This doesnt really explain the poor quality. Are you saying laptops are being built cheaper to make them as affordable as an iPad?

I know that people are using the ipads in their homes and for light personal use but there are few business uses in comparison.

There is no way that my corporate customers would be able to use ipads instead of a laptop.
The lack of funds available for business's to buy new high end equipment (including ipads) has pushed manufacturers into building cheap retail models to bring in money. The likes of Sony and Lenovo are seriously going to ruin their reputations.
Margin, the less they sell the lower the economy if scale, to remain competitive on features build will suffer or vice versa
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We bought a brand new Acer laptop a couple of years back for about £400 and had nothing but trouble with it. For no reason it would lock up and loose the entire contents of its hard drive every few weeks.

Got a Cheapo Asus netbook now and it works great.

done the exact same thing bought an acer replaced it with a asus due to loads of issues.
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Budget Acer laptops are basically disposable computers. Had loads at a tight company I used to work for, rubbish
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I'm finally looking at a replacement to my Acer after 7 years with just one hard drive replacement in that time and I have hammered it daily during much of that time... If only it had McLaren branding not Ferrari. Still, at least it wasn't full on garish red. Admittedly I paid more than £400 for the 4005WLMi
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Its in the past 4 years that they have got really bad.

Ive seen a hard disk in a new Acer crash in 6 hours and ive seen a power socket not even soldered onto the motherboard!
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had an old ibm (pre lenovo) thinkpad from 2000-2003 and it was bombproof

bought 2 sony vaio laptops in feb 2007. the basic one has been great, absolutely nothing gone wrong with it ever, despite its years and the kids giving it a hammering. the £900 fancy one has been a complete shambles but luckily covered with the pc world £10-a-month ongoing warranty.

it's now time for a new one, so should i get another sony???
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If you want a laptop that will last het a Dell Latitude
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Never Ever buy a laptop from a shop or any retail/website outlet.

If you want a reliable new laptop with a 3 year warranty visit:

www.dell.co.uk, click the business section and choose a Dell Latitude or Precision. Avoid Inspirons or Studio's.

www.toshiba.co.uk, in the business section choose a Toshiba Tecra or a business Satellite Pro. Avoid Satellites, Equiums and Quomio's.

www.hp.co.uk click the business section and choose HP Compaq, ProBook or EliteBook. Avoid Pavilion or G & CQ Series etc, Presario.

www.lenovo.co.uk click business section and choose a tank of a ThinkPad, avoid ideapads etc

Im no longer recomending Sony either.

If you get one of the above laptops it is designed to be on every day, constantly without fail. Business's are relying on them so they must be up to the job.

The laptops I have avoided are designed to look pretty and to sell easily but are pretty much designed to fail so that you have to go out and buy another after the warranty has expired!
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I had only dealt with the cheap end of Dell from a previous job, then last year work was doing a deal for discount on Dell and I was in the market for a decent desktop replacement laptop that could be used for photography. I managed to get an XPS 15 for under £1000 with blu-ray, core i-7, 2GB Nvidia graphics and importantly for the photos a 1080P RGB backlit screen, which I have to say is the best screen I have come across. It's been rock solid, and is still lightning fast 18 months on. Currently encoding video for my phone from a film from the PVR at 150fps, while typing this.

The other half has bought a cheaper inspirion, but not the rock bottom model so we'll see how that goes.
 
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Currently I'm at my desk at home.
I'm typing this on an Acer bought from Tescos. It was the most expensive one they had at the time, 3 years ago, I think. I replaced the hard drive about 6 months ago and it's going far better now than before. It had a 600GB one, now has a 750GB hybrid.
Beside the Acer is a Dell Latitude, supplied by the company I'm working for. It's got a 120GB SSD. Working well so far.
Under the desk is a Samsung netbook, which is hardly ever on now. We bought it for when we were on holiday, but have both got tablets now.
Beside the Samsung is my other laptop. I won't mention the brand, but I use it for photo editing. It's got a 500GB SSD and goes like ****. Now, I hope it will last me for years as it cost over 5x the price of the Acer.

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I am currently running on Dell Dimension 3100 which is 6 years old.

It only cost me £260 back then and it still works fine for what I need it for.

It isn't going to be as fast as a more expensive newer machine, but with an upgraded 22" monitor it does the job and has been 100% reliable.
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I have a samsung which feels solid and has been abused non stop. The amount of times falling asleep watching TV to wake up with the netbook on the floor
Matt you seem the right guy to ask, Have you had any experience of PC Specialists? they use Clevo bases, branded internals and custom build. I would expect them to be of better quality than those in the shops.
If I was to buy from retail it would be from Asus or Samsung as all the products I have bought have been faultless. If it aint broke..
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We bought a brand new Acer laptop a couple of years back for about £400 and had nothing but trouble with it. For no reason it would lock up and loose the entire contents of its hard drive every few weeks.

Got a Cheapo Asus netbook now and it works great.
see that's strange i've had my Acer Aspire 6530 for about 4 years now and other than a broken screen ( not the laptops fault ) it's been faultless for me, took the upgrade to windows 7 in it's stride no bother and is as fast and reliable as ever, boots up quick never had a blue screen and it gets used daily and carried about a fair bit between my house and my gf's
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I'm in the market for a new lappie/tablet having put my fist through an HP Pavillion

I notice LM you still recommend Lenovo even after the issues you've raised in the thread
and was wondering which of the Thinkpad variants you would recommend....

I'm considering the tablet alternative but like the keyboard option and have looked at the Asus
Transformer pad ..
As an aside what OS do you recommend to a computer dummy ie Win 7/8, Android ????
My biggest bugbear is a slow OS/PC ...I only browse the web and store pics etc
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I'm in the market for a new lappie/tablet having put my fist through an HP Pavillion

I notice LM you still recommend Lenovo even after the issues you've raised in the thread
and was wondering which of the Thinkpad variants you would recommend....

I'm considering the tablet alternative but like the keyboard option and have looked at the Asus
Transformer pad ..
As an aside what OS do you recommend to a computer dummy ie Win 7/8, Android ????
My biggest bugbear is a slow OS/PC ...I only browse the web and store pics etc
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If you only browse the web store pics and email then you may find a tablet a better proposition
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If you only browse the web store pics and email then you may find a tablet a better proposition
That's what I was thinking myself but whatever you buy these days is obsolete by the time you get it home ....Does my swede in when the yanks palm us off with stuff they've had a year
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If you only browse the web store pics and email then you may find a tablet a better proposition
that depends on how many photos etc you have though some of the tablets have quite limited storage capacity, i personally if i had a tablet only would be forced to have the most expensive versions as my photo collection alone would not fit on the lower spec models, maybe a netbook would be more suitable if you don't want a full size laptop
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that depends on how many photos etc you have though some of the tablets have quite limited storage capacity, i personally if i had a tablet only would be forced to have the most expensive versions as my photo collection alone would not fit on the lower spec models, maybe a netbook would be more suitable if you don't want a full size laptop
I've about 3 thousand images and a dozen or so vids ...Most of them are stored in off shore
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I have a samsung which feels solid and has been abused non stop. The amount of times falling asleep watching TV to wake up with the netbook on the floor
Matt you seem the right guy to ask, Have you had any experience of PC Specialists? they use Clevo bases, branded internals and custom build. I would expect them to be of better quality than those in the shops.
If I was to buy from retail it would be from Asus or Samsung as all the products I have bought have been faultless. If it aint broke..
The custom built desktops should be good as you can pick and choose the good parts. The ready made desktops will usually have the cheapest parts that they can get away with.

I only buy desktops parts from companies like www.overclockers.co.uk as they only sell top notch stuff.







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I'm in the market for a new lappie/tablet having put my fist through an HP Pavillion

I notice LM you still recommend Lenovo even after the issues you've raised in the thread
and was wondering which of the Thinkpad variants you would recommend....

I'm considering the tablet alternative but like the keyboard option and have looked at the Asus
Transformer pad ..
As an aside what OS do you recommend to a computer dummy ie Win 7/8, Android ????
My biggest bugbear is a slow OS/PC ...I only browse the web and store pics etc
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I still recommend Lenovo on the business side. Im trying to get across the massive contrast between Lenovo's that you buy in the shops and Lenovo ThinkPads that are for business.

My thoughts about Asus have already offended people on here :-D

I think Windows 7 is the best allrounder although it is still expensive and uses 1GB ram just to load up. You need alot of Ram to run it basically.
Windows XP is the fastest as it was designed for 256MB ram so sticking it on a laptoo with 2GB is 10x more than it was designed for and it flies!
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Currently I'm at my desk at home.
I'm typing this on an Acer bought from Tescos. It was the most expensive one they had at the time, 3 years ago, I think. I replaced the hard drive about 6 months ago and it's going far better now than before. It had a 600GB one, now has a 750GB hybrid.
Beside the Acer is a Dell Latitude, supplied by the company I'm working for. It's got a 120GB SSD. Working well so far.
Under the desk is a Samsung netbook, which is hardly ever on now. We bought it for when we were on holiday, but have both got tablets now.

Beside the Samsung is my other laptop. I won't mention the brand, but I use it for photo editing. It's got a 500GB SSD and goes like ****. Now, I hope it will last me for years as it cost over 5x the price of the Acer.
512GB SSD!?! Wow

SSD's will make computers so much more reliable as the hard disk is the weakest part of a computer.

Ive been fitting 32GB - 128GB SSD's instead of 160-500GB platter disks and I feel alot less worried about returns. There will always be the odd customer who kills the hard disk by holding down the power button as they cant be bothered to wait for windows to shut down. At least with an SSD the most it will need is a reinstall.

I thought I had my first SSD failure last week but it was a guy who gave the laptop to his mate to put on a dodgy copy of 7 on. He must have been so facinated by the SSD that he removed it and didnt bother screwing the connector back down when refitting it...grrrr

People are going to be very confused soon as TV adverts etc have been 500GB laptop this 750GB laptop that and in a year or so they will be 128GB laptop this, 256GB laptop that.

Im sick of explaining it already! Haha
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