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Visiting Italy in your classic?

Then you need to be very aware of the Low Emission Zones in place now (since the end of 2018) in most Italian cities and towns.

We were taking our S2 to Italy this year with the AROC, looks like its going to be the 939 Spider now, lucky we have an option.

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I'd still take it, unless you wanted to go into Milan, the 939 will get you there quicker though and with probably less fatigue, good info to know though
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I've been putting off going in my S2 but will get round to it, no intention of driving through the desperately congested cities tho so not a problem, does it mean classic are banned and will get heavily fined? - I would still take the S2, much as a the 939 is a nice motor, to drive to and around Italy in a classic Italian sports car has to be more rewarding
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Excluded from the LEZ:

1. light electric and hybrid vehicles

2. vehicles that can run on natural gas or LPG.

3. diesel-powered vehicles fitted with a certified diesel particulate filter that reduces PM to Euro 3 standard

4. historic vehicles provided in possession of the historicity or the identity certificate / approval issued after registration with the historical record.

5. vehicles classified as agricultural machinery in art. 57 of Legislative Decree 285/1992;

6. four-stroke motorcycles and mopeds

7. vehicles with special design or use of a service for purposes of a public or social interest, as specified below:

Current cars - 1973 2000 GTV, 1974 Spider 2000, 2002 Porsche 911, 2003 Rover 75 V6.

Gone but not forgotten - 1999 GTV TS, 1987 Alfetta GTV, 1978 Alfetta GTV, 1968 Giulia Super 1600, 1967 GT Junior 1300.
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Italy and emissions......gotta laugh.

and those ginormous (and horridly ugly) cruise ships in Venice, churning out the worst kind of dangerous diesel particulates known to man... they, of course, are allowed.
One cruise ship tinkering about the med has been likened to 5 million cars.
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Excluded from the LEZ:

1. light electric and hybrid vehicles

2. vehicles that can run on natural gas or LPG.

3. diesel-powered vehicles fitted with a certified diesel particulate filter that reduces PM to Euro 3 standard

4. historic vehicles provided in possession of the historicity or the identity certificate / approval issued after registration with the historical record.

5. vehicles classified as agricultural machinery in art. 57 of Legislative Decree 285/1992;

6. four-stroke motorcycles and mopeds

7. vehicles with special design or use of a service for purposes of a public or social interest, as specified below:
Yes thats Milan its Turin that is the problem, they dont have the same leniency. And what does "identity certificate / approval issued after registration with the historical record" mean, V5?
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I know have access for Milan, still wait to hear about Turin.
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This morning I got my friend Mr Google to translate an email which I sent to the Torino Polizia Municipale. The answer is a firm NO! No cars older than Euro 1 in Torino except on Saturdays and public holidays, then only if the driver is over 70!! So it will have to be the 939, heres the reply:

Dear Mr. Price Stephen

In Turin with order n. 67/18, available at the following internet link http://www.comune.torino.it/ambiente...imitazioni-tra 0.24 / traffic.index.shtml, traffic restrictions are in place to combat pollution, in short:
1. all euro zero vehicles cannot circulate every day from 00 to 24 hours;
2. they cannot circulate from Monday to Friday from 8.00 am to 7.00 pm Diesel vehicles euro 1 and 2.
There are exceptions that are included in the order, in your case the vehicles of historical interest registered in the appropriate registers, can circulate on Saturdays and holidays or for participation in events called by the associations, but in the event that the cars were driven by people who are at least 70 years of age or can move freely with a disabled permit.


This is the centre of Italian auto industry.

Someone said to me, "so whats so special about an Alfa Romeo then?" I told him, "If you have to ask, you wont understand".

Giulia Super Lusso 2.0MA, wife drives 939 Spider 2.2, plus now a 147 1.6 TS whilst the Spider hibernates and there is a 1972 Spider 2000 S2 in the garage for fun days.

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FFS, these emission zones are such bull****, the only people it really hurts are people who live in the cities and can't afford or don't want to pay for new cars, its fine to drive round in some new monster V8 SUV but not an "old" car, just take the 939 plates and some velcro, its registered as an Alfa Spider.....
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This morning I got my friend Mr Google to translate an email which I sent to the Torino Polizia Municipale. The answer is a firm NO! No cars older than Euro 1 in Torino except on Saturdays and public holidays, then only if the driver is over 70!! So it will have to be the 939, heres the reply:

Dear Mr. Price Stephen

In Turin with order n. 67/18, available at the following internet link http://www.comune.torino.it/ambiente...imitazioni-tra 0.24 / traffic.index.shtml, traffic restrictions are in place to combat pollution, in short:
1. all euro zero vehicles cannot circulate every day from 00 to 24 hours;
2. they cannot circulate from Monday to Friday from 8.00 am to 7.00 pm Diesel vehicles euro 1 and 2.
There are exceptions that are included in the order, in your case the vehicles of historical interest registered in the appropriate registers, can circulate on Saturdays and holidays or for participation in events called by the associations, but in the event that the cars were driven by people who are at least 70 years of age or can move freely with a disabled permit.


This is the centre of Italian auto industry.
Think like the Italians - IGNORE THE RULES! They might say 'la legge un asino'.

The probability of you being detected or stopped are low and the probability of there being consequence of you not paying any fine are low.

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Think like the Italians - IGNORE THE RULES! They might say 'la legge un asino'.

The probability of you being detected or stopped are low and the probability of there being consequence of you not paying any fine are low.

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What he said. Nobody is going to stop you and if they do they will want a selfie not to issue a fine.
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Think like the Italians - IGNORE THE RULES! They might say 'la legge un asino'.

The probability of you being detected or stopped are low and the probability of there being consequence of you not paying any fine are low.

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I wouldn't be too sure. 2 years ago we drove (in a 939) around the outskirts of Florence, a fine came in the post some time after we got back for driving in a controlled area, we were not stopped at the time so must have been ANPR.
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I wouldn't be too sure. 2 years ago we drove (in a 939) around the outskirts of Florence, a fine came in the post some time after we got back for driving in a controlled area, we were not stopped at the time so must have been ANPR.
You surely didn't pay the fine?

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Alphamale, there have for some time now been area's where you cant drive, especially in controlled zone, nothing to do with LEZ's.

However the good news is I have had another email back from the Polizia, after some whinging from me! And we have been given the all clear. At least now IF anything does happen I have email acceptance of our trip. We are only in Torino one day, driving from the hotel to the Lingoto building and we will be gone by mid day.
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You surely didn't pay the fine?

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Problem is if you don't pay the fine you cant go back to Italy without getting clobbered by ANPR and the fine will be a lot heavier
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Alphamale, there have for some time now been area's where you cant drive, especially in controlled zone, nothing to do with LEZ's.

However the good news is I have had another email back from the Polizia, after some whinging from me! And we have been given the all clear. At least now IF anything does happen I have email acceptance of our trip. We are only in Torino one day, driving from the hotel to the Lingoto building and we will be gone by mid day.
Nice one, enjoy your trip
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It's a bit of a lottery driving abroad, I was flashed for speeding in Switzerland and France, never heard a thing, parked in the middle of Bellagio which is residents only and never got a fine. Others have. Great news on your trip have fun,
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Its a bit daunting to be honest, over 2000 miles, I've done a hell of a lot of work on the car, lets hope I got it all right!
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You'll be fine, I took my GTV a few years ago and I din't know the engine was on it's last legs, it had the decency to break down the week after I got back, if you're radiator is ok, I'm sure your car will enjoy the trip
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Be careful driving through France. My wife has had two trips to France in the past eight months without me, in the family car which is registered in my name. I have had three speeding fines sent to me. One arrived in March, from a trip back in October! Part of the issue was the reduction in speed limit on A roads from 90 to 80kph. The other part was her heavy right foot in a powerful car
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Its a bit daunting to be honest, over 2000 miles, I've done a hell of a lot of work on the car, lets hope I got it all right!
I know what you mean having done three Irish tours through thick and thin, last tour i had a clutch master leak but although it looked bad was entirely manageable with a few top ups and the wiper linkage popped off, again a bit of spannering and all was fine, the first couple of days you fret about odd noises etc but after a while you'll relax and really enjoy it, the sense of achievement is unbeatable, the pleasure derived from driving a old but well loved classic is brilliant. I take a small tool kit and some essential spares just for peace of mind really, go and enjoy and let us know how you get on, I still want to take mine to Italy so will be interested in your route.
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Be careful driving through France. My wife has had two trips to France in the past eight months without me, in the family car which is registered in my name. I have had three speeding fines sent to me. One arrived in March, from a trip back in October! Part of the issue was the reduction in speed limit on A roads from 90 to 80kph. The other part was her heavy right foot in a powerful car
Quite, and our French friends have a habit of hiding the cameras, not the bright yellow ones we are used to.
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I've heard the Swiss are particularly devious when it comes to speed cameras, to the point where they will jump out from behind pillars and snap you
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I've heard the Swiss are particularly devious when it comes to speed cameras, to the point where they will jump out from behind pillars and snap you
Isnt that the paperazie trying to snap the Clooney's?
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Well, we got got back last night (Sunday 7th). 3000 very hard miles, it wasnt the twisty hilly bits, but the long motorway stretches where 110 - 120kph was needed to cover et 400km to the next stop that was so tiring.

The car ran well, but sounds very tired right now (like me!). Did have a few minor problems, bracket on the boot hinge where the spring assist fixes on broke, so we used the cameras mono pod to prop the boot open when needed, also the wing nut came undone and fell off the end of the air filter canister, simply fixed with gaffer tape! Finally after a few days of rough running one of the plugs gave up completely one morning. The garage where we stopped did not have any, but ordered some for us to arrive in an Italian 1/2 hour, 1 1/2 hours later they arrived and normal service was continued. At first I thought the rough running was as a result of the blistering heat, in Milan and Turin we suffered 42 deg C.

I will put together a proper report soon with photos. Driving a LHD classic spider in Italy was a hoot, flashed, beeped and waved at from everything from trucks, bikers, people on the side of the road, a Porsche and a newish Ferrari.
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