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Can they be gotten from anywhere here, other than the main stealers..?
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I got my 147 variator cheap off a main dealer up here George, pm me your car details and I'll see if he's still kicking about, haven't spoken to him since I got the variator 2 ish years ago...
 
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Hi George long time no speak. They are not cheap but when I had the 155 (which I sorely miss) I brought it into Ti for a belt change and reminded Gerry to do the variator. He said dont worry about it. If its not rattling leave it. They dont fail or cause damage its just annoying because of the noise at startup.
So if its not rattling like a diesel leave it be. Otherwise I hope Jim can get you a good price.
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I think they are quite expensive wherever you get them from.

most Alfa specialists will be able to sell you one...

Shop4parts
Alfashop
EB Spares
Alternative Autos etc...

Have a phone around. I know Alternative Autos used to do a special deal on cambelt kits, if you bought the auxilary belt and tensioners at the same time you could save quite a bit.
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Look on ebay.co.uk They are about 100GBP so not that bad. Other problem is to change the variator as this could be quite expensive.
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I found a UK crowd that do the t-belt kit, and variator for 165 STG. Waiting to hear what the postage will be. Oh, and they are genuine Alfa parts as well.
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If you are looking online the following links are the usual suspects that get recommended, Symon has already mentioned most of them.


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Donohoes in Enniscorthy = €271 inc VAT

Partsword-uk = €154 delivered.

No the wonder this country is on the bones of its erse
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If we had bones on our erse we'd be on them !!
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If we had bones on our erse we'd be on them !!
The irony is, the Government is always trying to encourage us to "buy Irish" "support you local trader" etc

I will, when they stop extracting the urine with their outrageous prices..
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Agree but they are only putting on what tax/vat the Germans want them to do . I think we should fire all of them and ask germany waht we do next . We might as well they are telling us anyway . Think of the savings from the wages we wouldnt have to pay these "middle" men !!
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Donohoes in Enniscorthy = 271 inc VAT

Partsword-uk = 154 delivered.

No the wonder this country is on the bones of its erse

Partworld are always worth a look

It's not just a local issue, you'll often find members across the water making similar comments about Dealer prices there.
It not easy if not impossible to compete with online companies who don't have RRPs or the associated running costs of a franchised AR dealership/garage etc.
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I agree, but there's "competing" and there's "Over inflated mark-up"...
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It's not just a local issue, you'll often find members across the water making similar comments about Dealer prices there.
It not easy if not impossible to compete with online companies who don't have RRPs or the associated running costs of a franchised AR dealership/garage etc.
Good answer David.
The macro issue is that online purchasing might replace high street spending across the board.
So we might all be ordering our parts online and dealing with helpdesks etc to make sure we're buying the right stuff.
I'm not sure that the local supplier will totally be wiped out as most do like the personal touch (please don't take that down to the gutter George!)
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Good answer David.
The macro issue is that online purchasing might replace high street spending across the board.
So we might all be ordering our parts online and dealing with helpdesks etc to make sure we're buying the right stuff.
I'm not sure that the local supplier will totally be wiped out as most do like the personal touch (please don't take that down to the gutter George!)
I agree Rory, but what gets me is. The guy in the UK is making a few bob, but the dealer here is making a good few bob more.
The variator itself is probably cheap enough to produce, so why do the dealers think they have the right to charge such ridiculous prices. Forget overheads and dealer running costs, every business has them to some degree.
I'm not sure in what country the parts are made, but I reckon the cost of getting them to the UK or here, wouldn't be that different.
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Glad you got sorted George as I'm drawing a blank I'm afraid. Can't seem to find the guy...
 
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Slightly off topic but similar circs. I was looking for Bridgestone re05a 215 45 17s , I have friends of mine that always give me a good price so when i asked the best they could do was 300 for 2 ( for Rory thats 150 each!) and online got the same tryes delivered to my door for 216 a saving of (work it out you lazy feckers !) These tyre came from the UK and Irish supplier couldnt supply them to me or even coem near the price ! As Rory said we will all be doing our shopping from an armchair
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Slightly off topic but similar circs. I was looking for Bridgestone re05a 215 45 17s , I have friends of mine that always give me a good price so when i asked the best they could do was 300 for 2 ( for Rory thats 150 each!) and online got the same tryes delivered to my door for 216 a saving of (work it out you lazy feckers !) These tyre came from the UK and Irish supplier couldnt supply them to me or even coem near the price ! As Rory said we will all be doing our shopping from an armchair
Thanks for the maths lesson and remember let's all keep in shape so we can get out of our armchairs!
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I agree, but there's "competing" and there's "Over inflated mark-up"...
You've obviously never worked in the parts dept of a Fiat Dealership. Firstly the RRP is set by Fiat Irl, not the Dealer. In order to make a profit, and pay wages/overheads, most Dealers add a small percent to the RRP.
All parts are 'coded' according to popularity, which equates to discount from Fiat. Fast moving parts (filters etc) are at a high 'code' or discount level. This particular part is coded 'E' which equates to 20 % discount from Fiat. The correct RRP is 207.16 before VAT. Which means the nett price is 165.72 which equates to a profit of 41.46 Euro. Take into account that the Dealer has to pay Fiat to ship the part from the UK, this realistically equates to a margin of closer to 20 Euro. Also factor in that most parts sales are to traders, who get between 15 and 30 % discount depending on the part, the margins are even lower again. Hardly an 'over inflated mark up' For the Dealer to get a greater discount from Fiat they have to order a minimum amount, possibly 5 in this particular case. Considering that very few variators sell from dealers these days, mostly because they can be purchased cheaper online.
As you are probably aware, sales of Alfa and Fiat cars are virtually non existant of late, so its hardly surprising that Dealers are hardly going to stock parts for cars that are not selling.
Remember that there are Dealerships in the UK that sell more cars in a month, that the combined Dealer network over here sells in a year. The margins and cost base in the UK is much more, and much less respectivly.
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You've obviously never worked in the parts dept of a Fiat Dealership. Firstly the RRP is set by Fiat Irl, not the Dealer. In order to make a profit, and pay wages/overheads, most Dealers add a small percent to the RRP.
All parts are 'coded' according to popularity, which equates to discount from Fiat. Fast moving parts (filters etc) are at a high 'code' or discount level. This particular part is coded 'E' which equates to 20 % discount from Fiat. The correct RRP is 207.16 before VAT. Which means the nett price is 165.72 which equates to a profit of 41.46 Euro. Take into account that the Dealer has to pay Fiat to ship the part from the UK, this realistically equates to a margin of closer to 20 Euro. Also factor in that most parts sales are to traders, who get between 15 and 30 % discount depending on the part, the margins are even lower again. Hardly an 'over inflated mark up' For the Dealer to get a greater discount from Fiat they have to order a minimum amount, possibly 5 in this particular case. Considering that very few variators sell from dealers these days, mostly because they can be purchased cheaper online.
As you are probably aware, sales of Alfa and Fiat cars are virtually non existant of late, so its hardly surprising that Dealers are hardly going to stock parts for cars that are not selling.
Remember that there are Dealerships in the UK that sell more cars in a month, that the combined Dealer network over here sells in a year. The margins and cost base in the UK is much more, and much less respectivly.

Hurrah for t'internet then.. :mygrin1:
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Hurrah for t'internet then..:mygrin1:
A brilliant answer, and typical of internet forums. Maybe Ireland should simply shut up shop, and let the people order everything 'online'.
I'm all for shopping around, but my main gripe is the constant 'Dealers are Stealers' quote. Know your facts first.
One day you might just need a Dealer, or someone in a Dealership to help you with a problem.
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