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Oil change for an Alfa newbie

My 156 is due belts, variator and water-pump service in a couple of months, will be dropping it into Gerry in TI where I've had all my work done since I've picked it up apart, from oil filter and oil changes.

Been a while and about 7K miles since oil & filter change and as I'm about to do about another 2,000 miles in the next 2 weeks, so I'd really like to do both before I set off & I'm keen to do it myself too.
I've done both on my previous jap cars, which were a piece of **** but having a recent crawl under the the 156 has presented some noob questions I hope you guys can help with.

- Undertray: I'll have it on stands so getting under is no problem. But the undertray is cracked in places but not completely nackered, has well as a few cable ties too, the starred screws seem very corroded and I reckon will be a pain getting off and even more so refitting. Is it worth the hassle keeping it? Car is on 16's with stock springs so I'm not grounding over regular speed bumps.
Gerry never mentioned it and it's been kept on ever since I've used it.
Is it worth removing and then replacing if I plan to maintain the oil services myself or for convenience just leaving off altogether?

Tools I'll have access to fairly bog standard stuff, anything that I'll need other then this for the job?

Sump plug: I'll be getting a new washer, 18mm, is that right? Anyone know a factor or dealer that does the rubberised dowty ones? Halfords gave me a blank stare as usual

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you'll need:

> an oil filter removal tool, i find the chain types are best
> a 8mm Hex or 8mm allen for the sump bung + a long bar to open the bung
> 18mm copper washer
> & a 5 litre or larger container to catch the old oil.
> new O.E. filter
> 5 litres of 10W/40 semi-synth oil, I use Castrol

removing the under tray is normally by removing 7 Torx30 headed bolts but if some are damaged & replaced by cable ties you will have to 'wing' it, using snipes to cut the old cable ties off & then fitting new cable ties later.

Alternatively dump the under tray. & do not over tighten the oil bung when re-fitting. Some sealer on the threads will prevent any oil weeping out via the threads.
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Undertray helps to keep your engine bay spotlessly clean......!
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I agree a good one does, a broken one doesn't work as well & causes annoying noises.
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Our last 156 never had an undertray in the 8 years we owned it. It was missing when we bought the car.

Yes the engine used to get a bit mucky... but that was just an excuse to get under there and give it a good clean... It made changing the oil very easy tbh too.

I'm not recommending you remove it. I'm sure it might even have some airflow/cooling properties.. but just saying I never had an issue without it.
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Our last 156 never had an undertray in the 8 years we owned it. It was missing when we bought the car.

Yes the engine used to get a bit mucky... but that was just an excuse to get under there and give it a good clean... It made changing the oil very easy tbh too.

I'm not recommending you remove it. I'm sure it might even have some airflow/cooling properties.. but just saying I never had an issue without it.
When I changed the oil on my 156 back in March, I removed the undertray only to find out that it was "tangled" in tie wraps. Never bothered putting it back on. Yeah, the engine bay is dirty, but other than that, I've never had a problem.
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i have one of these for the oil filter , great yoke

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Same here
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I had the same removal tool as you Dermo but it broke after 2 or 3 changes, not a very good one, the chain ones are by far the best. If the current filter isnt too tight you will remove it by hand otherwise you will need a tool. Undertrays are not a necessity so dont worry about it, besides you will pick one up in a breakers for cents. Re the oil I wouldnt be worried about changing it before your trip, I think people can be a bit overcautious about it, just make sure its at the correct level and bring a bottle with you, if most of your miles are gonna be on the motorway your gonna be cruising.

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Mark those tools are made of better stuff down here in CARK , mine is 18mths old and has been used more than I've had hot dinners (I've had loads of dinners too )
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A tried and tested friend....and it also works on the 'lesser spotted 3.2 filter'
 
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"A tried and tested friend....and it also works on the 'lesser spotted 3.2 filter' "

it works on most parts !!!


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it works on most parts !!!


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I think I'll just continue to use it for oil filter removal ta
 
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It's worse you're getting!

I have the chain one and am happy with that...
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I use a my hands or a screw driver.......i have the chain tool but on most cars its over kill.....

I would refit the tray or get one in a breakers....its nice to keep things original

Hardest bit of the job will be getting your oil level just right
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I use a my hands or a screw driver.......i have the chain tool but on most cars its over kill.....

I would refit the tray or get one in a breakers....its nice to keep things original

Hardest bit of the job will be getting your oil level just right
Try getting the V6 filter off without bienga contortionist Frank.. but then again you always amaze me
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Cheers lads, jobs a good 'un.
Bought one of the chain filter removal tools, didn't need it in the end as the filter came off by hand. The sump nut took a bit more persuasion though.

Undertray came off handily enough & went back on as well courtesy of a few cable ties.
No silver bits in the old oil as well which made me a happy bunny.

Have done just under 2k and oil is still a lovely honey colour.
Immensely satisfying job over all.
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Cheers lads, jobs a good 'un.
Bought one of the chain filter removal tools, didn't need it in the end as the filter came off by hand. The sump nut took a bit more persuasion though.

Undertray came off handily enough & went back on as well courtesy of a few cable ties.
No silver bits in the old oil as well which made me a happy bunny.

Have done just under 2k and oil is still a lovely honey colour.
Immensely satisfying job over all.
Well done! I changed mine at 8.5k miles and plan to drop that to around 6k as I wasn't happy with the colour of the oil coming out. My oil filter was only hand tight too which helped... Funny Pat mentioning 5 litres of oil as Gerry in TI and the Alfa manual says 4.4 for the 166 TS but mine took exactly 5...
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I mentioned 5 litres because, to most car owners, thats what the oil comes in, a 5 litre container. The engine holds 4.4 litres & then 0.6 for 'top-ups'

I also mentioned that he'll need a 5 litre or bigger container to contain the old oil as its draining out.
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I mentioned 5 litres because, to most car owners, thats what the oil comes in, a 5 litre container. The engine holds 4.4 litres & then 0.6 for 'top-ups'

I also mentioned that he'll need a 5 litre or bigger container to contain the old oil as its draining out.
But mine took 5 litres at the change...
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