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166, have to force it into gears....

guys, my manual 166 is causing me a bit of concern, she's (at times) having to be forced into gear, & i think (or i could just be going mad) that the clutch pedal has lost some height, seems to be sitting lower than normal.

Until she's warm i'm literally forcing the car into gears, its not crunching or anything, its just refusing to select a gear easily. Now when she is warm gear selection is fine, but up until that moment its a struggle...

any ideas on whats the problem?
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I've had plenty of cars like that, worse being a Laguna, I found the best solution was to either double de-clutch or keep the pressure on the gear stick but don't be too forceful.
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ive heard opening the side of the box and cleaning out the old oil and gunk can help along with some fresh oil, but im no mechanic and that wont help the clutch
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cheers guys, as i say i could wrong about the clutch, i literally could be seeing a problem that isn't there. i really don't like forcing the gears, fearing something might break! Might change the oil this weekend, & hope to God it works!
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Could be fracture in the pedal box (so in effect when you're pressing the clutch pedal, a lot of your effort is actually only bending metal in the pedal box, rather than operating the clutch). Not too difficult to have welded up, if I remember correctly.
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Remove any floor mats and check the clutch slave cylinder for any leaks
 
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great, ta again, will check all of the above! This is what i love about this forum, only put the post up an hour ago, & already have a few idea's on the problem. You guys rock!
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I found mine does the same, when its cold outside. More so if I drive it straight away. I found if I start the engine and leave it for a few minutes, the problem goes away. Must be cold oil or something..
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i've checked under the floor mats & no leaks. so i might just replace the oil (good house keeping afterall) & see how it goes. never replaced the oil in a gearbox so something new for the weekend!! lol
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Piece of advise, make sure you can open the filler bung before open the drain bung.

What was your last car? The 166 uses a 'pull' clutch which takes some time to get use to how it feels & operates. Make sure to discipline yourself to push the clutch pedal fully to the floor if not the clutch will not be fully disengaged & could be the cause of the issues you described.
hey Zoro, ta for that bit of advise, funny ain't it, it seem like such a logical piece of advise & yet you can put money on it had you not said it i would have opened the drain plug first! Before the 166 i owned 147, 146, 164 etc & have always made sure i've fully engaged the clutch before changing gear, but cheers for the heads up!
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If you're not getting full clutch travel then the resistance you feel is the synchro rings. They'll wear away fairly quick so dont drive it until you've check out the clutch/brake fluid levels and the slave cylinder as TheredX19 says.
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come to think of it, where is the brake fluid refill point located in a 166 engine bay? But i assume (& i may be very wrong here) if the fuild level on brake/clutch was low i'd get a warning light?
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ok, found it, can't believe i didn't spot the brake/clutch fluid point before!

I think i've fixed it, tomorrow morning will be THE test though, basically it seems like it was a combination of two things...

a) a clutch fluid level that i'm ashamed to say was very low
b) the car floor mat seemed to sit right under the clutch pedal, stopping its travel too early! so whilst i pressed the clutch to the floor, this was the mat, & not to the floor. I've not seen mats as thick as these, and even at its furthest point away from the pedals (so its as close to the seat as possible), it still got in the way of the clutch! So the mat is gone & i took her for a spin & the gears flowed!

as i say tomorrow on a cold morning will be the test to see if its truly fixed, or if its just that the car wasn't cold when i "fixed" it!

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ok, found it, can't believe i didn't spot the brake/clutch fluid point before!

I think i've fixed it, tomorrow morning will be THE test though, basically it seems like it was a combination of two things...

a) a clutch fluid level that i'm ashamed to say was very low
b) the car floor mat seemed to sit right under the clutch pedal, stopping its travel too early! so whilst i pressed the clutch to the floor, this was the mat, & not to the floor. I've not seen mats as thick as these, and even at its furthest point away from the pedals (so its as close to the seat as possible), it still got in the way of the clutch! So the mat is gone & i took her for a spin & the gears flowed!

as i say tomorrow on a cold morning will be the test to see if its truly fixed, or if its just that the car wasn't cold when i "fixed" it!
There simple cars really hope its ok in the morning

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well good news, everything seems to be ok, moves around the gears much easier, that is a relief! Just like to thank everyone for their help, this forum is worth its weight in gold!
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Good news......
but got to think of where the missing fluid went. The level will drop slightly over time due to brake pad wear, but not very low like you say. I'd check the slave anyway as they are a common failure.
You need to find out where the leak is becasue you need that fluid to stop the car, as well as to change gear
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Good news......
but got to think of where the missing fluid went. The level will drop slightly over time due to brake pad wear, but not very low like you say. I'd check the slave anyway as they are a common failure.
You need to find out where the leak is becasue you need that fluid to stop the car, as well as to change gear
Hey Morgan you going to Belfast for the NIIMC show?
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Hey Morgan you going to Belfast for the NIIMC show?
Afraid not, I hope to be moving house so I'll be busier and more stressed than ever apparently!

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LOL, and eyes in the rear view too, because this guy is driving round with a brake fluid leak
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don't think i'd ever go through the stress of moving house again! It nearly killed me!

Just slightly back to the topic, all seems well with the gears, working fine now, no apparent leaks anywhere, might just change the gearbox oil over the weekend as a maintenance exercise, but so far so good. Level of the clutch fluid hasn;t budged at all, maybe it was just let run low over the years!
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Ya it should be ok now if it hasnt leaked by now and there's no evidence of a leak , then theres no leak .. logical really
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Dermo - i thank you!
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