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147 1.6 TS Timing belt change and a few other questions...

How difficult is it to change the Timing belt yourself or is it easier to get it done somewhere?
I can do a fairly good impression of a mechanic when I want to! But im new to Alfa's... I know you need a locking tool, which I could either get a lend of or buy.

Also what else should be changed while at it? The car is a '02 but we only got it and Im completly unsure of its service history... It runs well but seems to have a bearing type rattle/whine coming from t/belt end of engine. Any ideas of what its likely to be? Theres also a small exhaust leak from around the manifold or possibly the downpipe somewhere.

Oh, and there was a funny squeal whine while driving through a town, which sounded brake related. But it only did that for a few mins and hasnt done it since...

Help and thoughts appreciated!
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To be honest,Alfas are a very unique breed and if you are unsure about what to do,go to an independent Alfa specialist.
Hopefully there's one around Sligo.
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Coopers in Sligo were the last people to do the belts on my 147.

When I did the belts again last week everything looked in order and the timing was correct so that's a good sign........
The only thing I'll say is that they didn't use cam locks - there was white marks on the pulleys, but amazingly the timing was spot on.

ps. maybe they had tried and failed without the locks first and then sourced some locks afterwards. It's very unusual for someone to get the timing right on a TS with tipex marks
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Coopers have gone bang now!

We could get it done in Dublin somewhere if it came to that but like I said, im as good as a mechanic (benn working on cars and bikes since I was a child) and my dad is a mechanic with loads of years experience. So id be fairly confident to have a go...

Any ideas on the rattle/whine coming from t/belt area. Its very similar to the sound of a knackered water pump bearing.
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The 'rattle' is most likely the variator, water pumps tend not to go and are usually only changed as a precaution when changing the belt.
I could be wrong, but I didn't think it was possible to fit a belt without the camlocks. The cams will move once the old belt is slackened, its fairly difficult to move the pullys by hand.
 
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Yep I agree, I was horrified to see tipex marks on the pulleys, and then genuinely surprised that when I fitted the locks everything line dup perfectly
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Yep, I heard variator mentioned a few times alright.

It did that funny squeal again last night, only for a few seconds and then nothing again after that. Its coming from the left, sounds a bit like something rubbing a disc, driveshaft or wheel. I should really have a look could just be a stone stuck somewhere. But I heard another 147 pass by me when I was standing in a garage, and it was making the exact same noise, so I just thought it might be something common with them. It was a lot worse on the other car!
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If your cooming to Dublin there is only one place you can bring her and that is Ti Autos run by Gerry Campbell 018386567. Look at ciarant thread.
https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/repub...ming-belt.html

Dont I repeat dont bring it to a dealership. If you are going to do it yourself get onto the 147 Forum and they will tell you all you need to know.

If you dont want to come as far as Dublin there is a very good chap close to Enfield by the name of Don Baker and he has been fixing Alfa's for years, has loads in his yard for breaking. His number is 0868234994 but he is a little bit out of the way.

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Dont I repeat dont bring it to a dealership. If you are going to do it yourself get onto the 147 Forum and they will tell you all you need to know.


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Its a bit unfair to diss Dealerships. Whilst I agree that they may not all be as helpful as they could be, some independant 'experts' can be just as unhelpful.
I've been involved with Fiat/Alfa/Lancia for over 30 years and try to do the best we can. I know both Gerry Campbell and Don Baker personally and would vouch for both of them, regarless of the fact that they both came from Dealerships themselves. In fact they have on occasion, come to me, a non mechanic for advice.
The Alfa/Fiat network in Ireland is quite small, and most people know each other quite well.
Both Gerry and Don, use dealerships, for parts, and for information, and the favours are equally returned.
Remember, the Dealership you disrespect, could be the one who is supplying your parts and service (tools etc).
 
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Dont I repeat dont bring it to a dealership. If you are going to do it yourself get onto the 147 Forum and they will tell you all you need to know.


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Its a bit unfair to diss Dealerships. Whilst I agree that they may not all be as helpful as they could be, some independant 'experts' can be just as unhelpful.
I've been involved with Fiat/Alfa/Lancia for over 30 years and try to do the best we can. I know both Gerry Campbell and Don Baker personally and would vouch for both of them, regarless of the fact that they both came from Dealerships themselves. In fact they have on occasion, come to me, a non mechanic for advice.
The Alfa/Fiat network in Ireland is quite small, and most people know each other quite well.
Both Gerry and Don, use dealerships, for parts, and for information, and the favours are equally returned.
Remember, the Dealership you disrespect, could be the one who is supplying your parts and service (tools etc).
Don't really think it's about disrespect, but the fact that, when you walk in there, they try and rip you off your money, and not caring about the customer is the main reason.
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Honestly the best Dealership imo is The Sweep. They certainly are as good as Gerry and the above. They know everything about Fiat's and Alfa's and are great to work with. Genuine lads and will always help people out. Shame that can't be said for certain other Irish dealerships I have had experience with.

And another independent imo is Theredx19 he is great at Fiats too.
 
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I care about my customers, after all they make my paydays possible, and if I dont look after them someone else will.
My point is that if I had a problem or was looking for a part, or information. My first port of call would be a Dealership, regardless of what make of car I owned.
In much the same way, if I wanted to buy a good steak, I'd go to a butcher shop and not a Supermarket.
Maybe I'm from a different era.....
 
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KMacb I never said you or others out there weren't caring for their customers etc. I was just speaking from my own experience as that is the only experience I can speak of with confidence. Rather than a whole load of hearsay that you can sometimes see on general car sites.

I think it is not just Alfa dealers but all dealers have been ripping people off for years and well now people are so scarred from these experiences that they are going to horror of horrors bringing their cars to Advance ****stop. I cannot stand that crowd. I nearly went mental when the work vehicle was in there getting new tyres.
 
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Dont I repeat dont bring it to a dealership. If you are going to do it yourself get onto the 147 Forum and they will tell you all you need to know.


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Its a bit unfair to diss Dealerships. Whilst I agree that they may not all be as helpful as they could be, some independant 'experts' can be just as unhelpful.
I've been involved with Fiat/Alfa/Lancia for over 30 years and try to do the best we can. I know both Gerry Campbell and Don Baker personally and would vouch for both of them, regarless of the fact that they both came from Dealerships themselves. In fact they have on occasion, come to me, a non mechanic for advice.
The Alfa/Fiat network in Ireland is quite small, and most people know each other quite well.
Both Gerry and Don, use dealerships, for parts, and for information, and the favours are equally returned.
Remember, the Dealership you disrespect, could be the one who is supplying your parts and service (tools etc).
True enough I might be tarring them all with the same brush but on my experience as with a lot of the lads here they can be more interested in getting your dosh than your business the next time you have a prob. I suppose with the indy's like Gerry and Don they take time to get to know you and are happy spend a bit of time talking to you about the problem. And do in fairness go out of their way at times. Maybe we should start our own dealership lads
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Well I decided to just go the easiest route and book the little alfa into Ti autos for the timing belt, alt belt, variator, idlers, and water pump change. Gerry reckons he will have it done in a few hours and all in the price is the low side of 600yoyo...

I decided it was best to get it done quickly (its not something to be put off!) by someone that knows their stuff, rather than me having to wait till I had the time to do it and probably take a lot longer to do. Plus ive got quite a few other project cars/bikes to work on aswell!

So now theres just a wishbone bush (which I have yet to investigate), and a set of Koni adjustables to go in... The Konis are a little bit excessive for the use the car will get but Demon tweeks didnt have the kit we originally wanted in stock so they offered us these at a well reduced price!
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the cambelt on my 147 was changed at 55k miles in 2007, it now has 76k miles, i was wondering when would iit next need a cambelt change?
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