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& we thought 2008 was bad...

....oh dear are we in for a surprise!

i used to work in the motor trade (until end 07) but keep in contact with my work buddies regulary, & they predict that based on the amount of orders received for January (by far the motor trades biggest month) that sales of new cars in January 2009 could be up to 80% down from last year. Sadly 2 garages from different parts of Ireland, selling different brands have said roughly the same story! Oh & these dealers sell the top selling cars in Ireland!

With all the investment in dealerships that was forced upon them by distributors many dealers i fear could be in huge trouble!

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My Son works for a large Ford dealer in England......... and they are deep in the sh1te........ Their order book is way way down.......... and not only is the dealership in trouble but he and the other salesmen are on flat money and even thought they are working their butt's off they aren't earning any commission..........

........Dire times.

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my mate works at an alfa dealership and its the same with him...
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Local Mega site near me are selling 08 plate DEL Mileage Vectra's (obviously been sitting in a field for a while) for £5995. How is that possible? list o that is like 17 grand....
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Sorry if it sounds a insensitive but they've just had 10 years of bumper sales and have never had it so good. So many new cars were sold the powers that be had to introduce 2 new number plates a year because we were running out of numbers to cope with the sheer volume of new cars being sold.

That's the pitfall of working on commission only, not saving for the rainy days, it's not going to be sunshine for ever. Got to take the rough with the smooth and those who didn't put money away for the rainy days we're seeing will end up paying the price and the strongest business practices will survive.
 
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Up to now cars and houses sold themselves so there was no need to sell. No hard work in selling anything because of so called "celtic" and other Tigers. It needs a good radical change in thought by Gov and the people to get us out of this recesssion. It was clear to everyone that the growing economy would stop at some stage.
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Up to now cars and houses sold themselves so there was no need to sell. No hard work in selling anything because of so called "celtic" and other Tigers. It needs a good radical change in thought by Gov and the people to get us out of this recesssion. It was clear to everyone that the growing economy would stop at some stage.
granted, but when i think back to my former employer who spent 10m on new premises about 3 years ago in order to improve the dealership/service area to the level the distributors demanded the sudden downturn is hitting them hard. And lets not forget even when times are good you have to fight for every sale, margins on cars are quite small, & the dealer down the road is always more than willing to undercut you. Cars never sold themselves!
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Definitely the dealership/service areas improved but with my experience the quality of service didn't......which is why a lot of garages that I know are feeling the pinch more than others (I'm specifically talking about Galway).....I actually went to Cork to buy my last new car and the dealers were fantastic.
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To be honest,Ireland is special due to way you register cars.(year number etc).In other parts of the world January is a slow month in all areas of activity,so nobody would predict the volume of sales based on the sales of the first month.
At least you don't have to worry about the Russians cutting the gas at -20.
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Yeah I am in the trade too and quality did slip from what I saw as figures are more important but with this down turn the lad who did a good quality job at an honest rate will do well as his customers will be loyal to him. It will be a hard year but salesmen were order takers in the last few years and would never even move a car for you in the yard as this was below them but it has come back on them....
 
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I always thought the introduction of twice yearly plate changes was to stop the annual rush to buy cars and to spread out demand, rather than because we were running out of plates.
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Yeah that was the idea behind the uk system but there is no risk of a rush for plates here
 
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I'm glad they have to work a bit. As was said above some of the car salesman out there didn't have to do anything really to shift cars. And when the times where good they should have set aside some change to keep themselves going in the hard times like now. I know of a dealer in Cork that is in 100 million debt. And it's there own fault by getting greedy.

And it was easy for them to shift cars I know of one young fella who gets his car replaced every year by his parents. Not exactly hard to sell them the cars.
 
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granted, but when i think back to my former employer who spent 10m on new premises about 3 years ago in order to improve the dealership/service area to the level the distributors demanded the sudden downturn is hitting them hard. And lets not forget even when times are good you have to fight for every sale, margins on cars are quite small, & the dealer down the road is always more than willing to undercut you. Cars never sold themselves!
Well speaking to a dealer I know he said in the last few years around November that he would have 25 orders of high end cars ( 80-120K) ordered for January , without buyers ! and never had a problem as there was always a demand in this bracket of people who wanted their cars today. He said that this year was the first year he had no car ordered. So , as I am not a dealer, I can only pass on what a dealer told me . But imo it seems a reasonable deduction.
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Yeah I am in the trade too and quality did slip from what I saw as figures are more important but with this down turn the lad who did a good quality job at an honest rate will do well as his customers will be loyal to him. It will be a hard year but salesmen were order takers in the last few years and would never even move a car for you in the yard as this was below them but it has come back on them....
Agree with above it always was a problem here in the last few years when one walked into a dealership ... Most of the Salespersons never even came out of their office's to see if they could help. I have been in a local Alfa dealer on numerous occasions in the past few years and sat in The display Alfa's .. Never has a Salesperson come over to ask was
I ok or could they help.....
Guess What yesterday 2 of them asked me was I ok
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An Bhfuil tú OK? hahahahaha
Ah yeah, they'll work for their weeks wages now alright!!!
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The day of financial 'wreckoning' has arrived.
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Official figures for the first week in Ireland.

New vehicle sales down 64% in first week of 2009 - The Irish Times - Sun, Jan 11, 2009

And a big,fat '09 !

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The Republic is probably like Britain where everything in this wonderful Island is overpriced maybe now the car prices will dive to an acceptable level, for years we have paid over the odds for cars, repairs and servicing, the dealers may even see an upturn in other aspects of their business if they follow this simple business plan "bring your prices down if you want people to afford your products and services"
 
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I love all these reports of new car sales down eleventy million percent and we're all doomed if we don't all drive brand new numberplate cars.

What the news conveniently forgets to mention is that new car sales have seen crazy growth through the 80s and 90s. More cars on the road, more traffic jams, flooding the market and bringing 2nd hand values down and all fuelled by company cars being dished out and cheap loans. Hopefully we'll get back to some sense of normality and sustainable sales levels.
 
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oh well, figures out for Decemebr for Ireland (traditionally a very slow month for sales)

Alfa sold.....0, 2007 = 1
Fiat sold.....4, 2007 = 8

Alfa weren't alone in not selling one single car, heres who joined them...Audi, Jaguar, Jeep, Mercedes, SAAB
BMW sold one car!

Sales in ireland for December were down 62%

for 2008 vs 2007 as a whole they were down 18.7%

for 2008

Fiat sold 1940, 2007 = 2502
Alfa sold 363, 2007 = 470
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Too many Turkeys out there to be bought ...



And too many turkeys selling cars
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oh well, figures out for Decemebr for Ireland (traditionally a very slow month for sales)

Alfa sold.....0, 2007 = 1
Fiat sold.....4, 2007 = 8
That's very hard to believe really.
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That's very hard to believe really.
But who in their right mind would register a car in December & take an event bigger hit in depreciation when they could wait a month
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But who in their right mind would register a car in December & take an event bigger hit in depreciation when they could wait a month
Shuddup u just because you have an 8C
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