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Think I might buy a 4x4

No really. I've noticed this week that if you have a 4x4 you are apparently allowed to ignore speed bumps outside schools at 8.45am and drive over them at 40. Also, you seem to be be allowed to park on those zigzags outside school gates. People in normal cars like me have to park some distance away and walk, so this would be a great boon to me.

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Nooooooooooooooo dont do it
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Buggers. 4x4's might as well carry disabled badges sometimes.. :/
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You will have to have a mandatory Frontal labotomy to drive one or even to be seen in one.
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Oi, oi, easy with that chaps


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I think my next car will be an old 4x4.

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I already have one and can vouch for how handy they are.
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im seriously considering one, its the only way to negotiate all the potholes and sodding speed humps everywhere. i hate anti 4x4 facists as much as 4x4 facists hate 4x4's
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My wife's is the one on the left

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another benefit of 4WDs, is the brakes are so powerful at containing the car's considerable mass, that you can safely drive any 4WD at precisely one foot away from the rear bumper of the car in front - even at 80mph! This also helps reduce traffic congestion, when you come to think of it.

Additionally, many of the local supermarkets have come to a little-known agreement with 4WD drivers; they are now allowed to park without question across two, and sometimes, three parking bays. This puts them and their lovely, tastefully-designed car, at a huge advantage over the rest of the riff-raff, who still have to make do with one bay.

Something else that's been quietly introduced, is that 4WD drivers - especially when on the school run - are not obliged to follow the new laws concerning mobile phone use. The same waiver applies to the use of front fog lights, and the additional array of classy after-market lights that only stand to further communicate the style and exquisite taste of the 4WD driver. It is perfectly ok to use these, especially in the rain.

But, be warned. Drivers of lesser, crummier cars, are daring not to acknowledge the greater superiority of the 4WD and the general brilliance of its owner! They are - shock - no longer obliging enough to let the 4WD out of a side road in the same way they would typically allow another type of car out. Rumour is that 4WDs are no longer honoured with same level of cooperation by other road users, on the unfounded basis that - locally - most 4WD drivers are cack-headed, gormless oiks stuffed with enough life-traps and inner-child issues to fill the rear split/fold boot area of their automotive emotional prop.

But they do come in nice colours. And you can get a spare wheel cover that shows two rhinos sha55ing, or one that doubles up as a giant watch. Now isn't that the icing on an already classy cake.

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I want a Panda Mk1 4x4
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i understand your point but from both side of the fence icarlisle

I have owned a freelander due to my last job due to having to go places where a normal car wouldn`t and i was amazed at how a majority of owners drove them without a care in the world to other road users and before you ask it never got used for the chelsea tractor school run.

please don`t shout but due to things changing may need another but i will be keeping the alfa.

yes i do agree with the attitude of some drivers who think that due to being in a bigger vehicle they can do what they want and also bully

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Nonsense. They're very useful. I've had several. There are just as many tw*ts driving around in 3-series BMW's, trying to prove they're important because their employer gives them something that's more popular than a Mondeo these days.
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believe me, around here it is not nonsense.

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Just think of the cleaning,etc.
and at the end of it all"what have you got?"
No gleaming beauty,
Just an up market tractor
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I loved my Range Rover. Amazing car, just too thirsty. The Defender was a bit of a tractor, but kids love them. People are entitled to drive whatever they want. I'm uncomfortable with belittling people on the basis you don't like the drivetrain of their vehicle.

Who washes their own car, seriously?
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People are entitled to drive whatever they want. I'm uncomfortable with belittling people on the basis you don't like the drivetrain of their vehicle.

Who washes their own car, seriously?
I agree with you 100% that people are entitled to drive what they like. i just wish 4wd owners would say exactly that, rather than churning out the same lame excuses that are codswallop justifications that conceal their guilt at owning such a car ('i need it for the kids/it's much more flexible than an estate/i like the feeling of safety'). why can't they be as bold as their car and say 'you know what? i bought it because i like it'?

And my intention is not to belittle people for their choice of drive-train; but when their choice of often unnecessary drive-train poses a risk to my survival if they hit me, then i make no excuses for challenging why they need two tonnes of high-riding metal to get their kids to school when - believe it or not - a Ford Focus would do the job just as well.

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I'd rather crash driving a Range than a Ford Focus, Scudetto. They must be safer, surely. I agree with you about the pitiful justifications people bleat out though.
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I love our Kia Sorento. I hate to admit we often do long jouneys in it in preference to the Sportwagon. There is more space, the heated seats are fabbydoso in this weather (Alfa heated seats usually last as long as a chocolate teapot by the way). Its handling is fine as long as you don't go mad. The engine is Merc derived so its OK..ish

In short, its quite a nice place to be, and yes..after nearly knackering the Sportwagon on the speed humps at Loughborough University the other week I said " Never again..we bring the panzerwagen next time!!".

And it does over 30mpg, which is pretty good, and the heater is better (even after a new Thermostat in the Alfa)

I do hate taking it to supermarkets though and park as far away from everyone as I possibly can..but I do that in the Alfa as well

My Kia dealer is a nice helpful local bloke too...who races a classic Escort Mk1 Twin Cam,,,and oddly enough, although I'm in Lincs now he know my old (now ex) Alfa dealer from N.Yorks pretty well. Its a small world.

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I'd rather crash driving a Range than a Ford Focus, Scudetto. They must be safer, surely. I agree with you about the pitiful justifications people bleat out though.
rupert, i agree with that mate. but the problem is that the range rover driver has massively increased his safety at the expense of the safety of other road users, in a range rover v focus crash.

Globally, I'm sure there are hundred - if not thousands - of SUV v Focus/Golf collisions where the Golf driver has been deaded because of the SUV's greater height and strength.

Now, you could argue 'ah, but an S-Klasse Mercedes is the same weight/size as an SUV; should we castigate them, too?' That's a fair point. But the reason it doesn't stack up is because (say) ten years ago, family man bought a Golf/Focus/Astra; all are reasonably crash compatible with each other. Now, a growing number of customers are ditching the Golf et al and using bonkers reasons for buying a SUV/4WD car that will decimate any poor soul who chose to stick with a new Golf. Yes, a Range Rover will be ten fold safer than a Golf when the two crash; but do you need it to be ten-fold safer? If a Golf hits (say) a Focus, you both get equal odds of surviving. Are SUV drivers that selfish that they need to be ten times safer to ensure they save themselves at the dramatic expense of someone else?

I just cannot understand how anyone can legitimately justify the safety risk 4wds pose to other road users on the grounds of anything else than vanity and sheer selfishness.

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You argue the point really well. I just think it's human nature to be selfish when you're looking to protect yourself or your kids. Yes it's selfish, but that doesn't make it wrong per se.

I don't understand why anyone would buy a car that failed badly in NCap tests. To do so seems to be choosing to place your family in one of the more dangerous cars on the road, which goes completely against our human nature. I guess your family is a more important consideration than people you've never met before who drive less safe cars. It IS selfish, but quite normal.
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"I just cannot understand how anyone can legitimately justify the safety risk 4wds pose to other road users on the grounds of anything else than vanity and sheer selfishness."

And cyclists and pedestrians can use this argument against any vehicle with similar justification, and the 4x4 driver can look at the 40 ft trailer with tractor unit and say the same. I tow a boat with mine, and wouldn't have one otherwise. In reality a lot depends on how you drive them.

Some might say that young men playing at Schumachers in sporty cars are the biggest menace in terms of vanity and selfishness on the road. It just depends where on the game board you wish to place yourself at any particular time.

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rupert, i agree with that mate. but the problem is that the range rover driver has massively increased his safety at the expense of the safety of other road users, in a range rover v focus crash.

Globally, I'm sure there are hundred - if not thousands - of SUV v Focus/Golf collisions where the Golf driver has been deaded because of the SUV's greater height and strength.

Now, you could argue 'ah, but an S-Klasse Mercedes is the same weight/size as an SUV; should we castigate them, too?' That's a fair point. But the reason it doesn't stack up is because (say) ten years ago, family man bought a Golf/Focus/Astra; all are reasonably crash compatible with each other. Now, a growing number of customers are ditching the Golf et al and using bonkers reasons for buying a SUV/4WD car that will decimate any poor soul who chose to stick with a new Golf. Yes, a Range Rover will be ten fold safer than a Golf when the two crash; but do you need it to be ten-fold safer? If a Golf hits (say) a Focus, you both get equal odds of surviving. Are SUV drivers that selfish that they need to be ten times safer to ensure they save themselves at the dramatic expense of someone else?

I just cannot understand how anyone can legitimately justify the safety risk 4wds pose to other road users on the grounds of anything else than vanity and sheer selfishness.

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Also, you can't decimate a person. It means to kill one in ten. Sorry, I'm a pedant. Can't help it.
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Rupert - I agree 100% re the protection of our respective families. But there's selfish, and there's astonishingly selfish. And so where does it stop? Where do we draw the line? You buy a Range Rover. Ok, so relative to that and to optimise my family's safety, I buy a Hummer. To optimise her safety relative to my Hummer, Miss Marple down the lane buys a Tank. This law of escalation is getting fatally silly; we can all have equal-ish safety for our families with out resorting to taking a hammer to crack a family-sized nut.

AlfaLincs - again, things are relative. If you're a cyclist, you'd have to have a screw lose to suggest that it's wrong for a car driver to have more safety than you do. If a bike is your only form of transport, you accept your vulnerability relative to other road users; but if you favour a used £8k Freelander over a used £8k Golf on the basis of the additional safety - which will be at the fatal expense of any other smaller car you hit - then that's just selfish.

You use your car to tow a boat. Cool, that's fine. And a crash-compatible Audi A4 4WD estate can't do that equally well? ;-)

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Also, you can't decimate a person. It means to kill one in ten. Sorry, I'm a pedant. Can't help it.
And maybe, if you look at road kill stats, that just what 4wds are doing (teasing ya)

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