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I've just entered the final week and 3300 miles of my commute to Liverpool and it's finally taken it's toll upon the poor 159; the front offside suspension has started groaning, making a horrid scraping noise when i turn right, or go over anything other than a relatively smooth road surface.

Except that's the friggin problem.

There are no friggin smooth road surfaces any longer; Liverpool roads are effectively a recreation of the Somme, with some craters deceptively hidden by the ridiculously sharp half-pyramid speed bumps that precede them. Sometime's it's virtually impossible to avoid them because of the traffic either side of you, sometimes you have someone in a luton/transit van up your arse making you overtake that bus at the bus stop, forcing you into yet another hole. (if i'd slowed down/stopped for every van driver up my arse in this awful place, my SW would be more like a Smart car by now - and I don't need the hassle of a insurance job right now)

I've tried all sorts of different routes to the training venue, but all have their literal pitfalls. I've changed my stance on commuting here. It is crap crap crap - to the N'th degree and the roads/drivers are truly, absolutely dire.

I'll take some pics tomorrow, just to show you how **** the roads are...

ARRRGHHH
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Same around here. I've noticed a lot of the local cars now sport stickers reading:
"I'm not drunk, I'm swerving round potholes"
Or my favourite:
"I've paid my tax now fix some ****ing potholes"
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There's a rumour in Norfolk that the council have re-defined what is classed as a pothole. That means that unless it's a yawning chasm it doesn't get fixed.
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I've just entered the final week and 3300 miles of my commute to Liverpool and it's finally taken it's toll upon the poor 159; the front offside suspension has started groaning, making a horrid scraping noise when i turn right, or go over anything other than a relatively smooth road surface.

Except that's the friggin problem.

There are no friggin smooth road surfaces any longer; Liverpool roads are effectively a recreation of the Somme, with some craters deceptively hidden by the ridiculously sharp half-pyramid speed bumps that precede them. Sometime's it's virtually impossible to avoid them because of the traffic either side of you, sometimes you have someone in a luton/transit van up your arse making you overtake that bus at the bus stop, forcing you into yet another hole. (if i'd slowed down/stopped for every van driver up my arse in this awful place, my SW would be more like a Smart car by now - and I don't need the hassle of a insurance job right now)

I've tried all sorts of different routes to the training venue, but all have their literal pitfalls. I've changed my stance on commuting here. It is crap crap crap - to the N'th degree and the roads/drivers are truly, absolutely dire.

I'll take some pics tomorrow, just to show you how **** the roads are...

ARRRGHHH
I think you pay a road tax in UK? For what is it used?
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I think you pay a road tax in UK? For what is it used?
That's what we tend to call it but officially it is VED: Vehicle Exise Duty. A tax on motoring. The government does with it as it sees fit.

Fixing our third world roads is a low priority.
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Driving in the UK without an off-road capable
vehicle or trick suspension set-up is madness.
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There's a rumour in Norfolk that the council have re-defined what is classed as a pothole. That means that unless it's a yawning chasm it doesn't get fixed.
Quilte likely I woud think.

Around here many rural roads have had the speed limits reduced to 40 and 50mph

They say it is for road safety, but it also means that lower speed limited roads require less maintenance.
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Ive had my Volvo alloy trashed due to a pothole,answer from the local authority was ("the first person to complain doesnt get compensation as we/council wasnt aware of it but anyone after that will be compensated until its fixed")

What the @&%$

Most A roads round here are ok (well the ones i use) but the B roads and lanes are a total joke..
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It shouldn't matter if they were aware or not.

If they have not maintained the road to a point where it has holes then who else is to blame?
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They're not brilliant. That said I have never had a wheel or suspension trashed through potholes, not to my knowledge. Lets face it Alfa suspension on 156's, 147's and GT's are made of cheese. On my GT even 17" gave a dreadful ride. I once drove over a piece of gnat's poo and the upper suspension arm fell off.

I think they have been that way in years even back when I first started driving when the roads were cobbles (OK a slight exaggeration as it was 1981). Back then I had 13" wheels and big balloon like tyres on. I never noticed the holes but they did exist, I know because my parents lived (mum still does) on an unadopted road.

I think it seems to have got worse because even Audi's now come with wooden blocks in place of coil springs and rubber bands on 18" wheels as a standard.

All of this does not excuse the councils and governments for not fixing the them of course.

One last thing, have you ever driven on US roads? They have many paved ones and they're dreadful, however the suspension set up on their cars stateside compensates for this.
I know they don't need to go round bends as often but my point is that many '1st world' countries have **** roads.

Our motorways are good, the Italian ones are too if you can avoid a speeding fine (I can't, not even in Wheezy, the Fiat 500) but some of the main roads there in Italy are **** too.

I've never driven in France because I believe the roads are littered with beret's, onions, garlic, stripy tee shirts, old broken bikes & their baskets and baguettes. I bet that gives a right bumpy ride.. TT4N?
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You can't win, you can claim against the council for anything deeper than a 50p, if it damages your car, but would probably come back to you in extra council tax. My favourite time of year right now in London is the marathon, they seem to fix all the potholes on the route.
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It shouldn't matter if they were aware or not.

If they have not maintained the road to a point where it has holes then who else is to blame?
I did point this out to no avail... (bromley council for you)

"Claim off your own insurance" they said

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"Claim of your own insurance" they said
How about they pay the surcharge or loss of no claims then.....not bl**dy likely.
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The council are only obliged to pay out if you can show negligence from the council i.e they knew about it but failed to fix it.

If you are the first to report it then they can just fall under that and tell you to **** off.

Wrong but thats how it is AFAIK
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Warning At least you have B roads

In the great white north, at least near major cities, all roads are straight, boring and flat. We have a few nice escarpments and winding roads, but the first thing the killjoys have done is install speed bumps in these areas. Not to mention the fact that road salt, snow and ice tears away at the asphalt and a road that was fixed in the summer has to be fixed again in the following spring.

I read a report recently that said the reason most roads crack and form potholes is because roadworks crews mix rubber in, which eventually hardens in sub zero weather. The report's conclusion was that removing rubber would make for better long-term roads. Not sure how accurate that is, but if so, it makes me a bit of a conspiracy theorist.
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No pics to show the severity of the holes yet, it's been lashing down and/or my mind has been elsewhere. It's my last day tomorrow so i'll try to get one or two.

Now please excuse me while I book a slot at the garage!
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Around here 'tother day,...Can we expect your vote will be for us in May?

What's your major concern? "Erm' Potholes! "

You are not alone there.

TFTM, we are all suffering, and it ain't never been sorted as they said it would last time around!
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I did point this out to no avail... (bromley council for you)

"Claim off your own insurance" they said
That attitude from them stinks. Like that does not cost us anything
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Government promised £50m to fix potholes...


AA say it will cost over £11bn... barely a drop in the ocean - plus the councils outsourcing the pothole fixing to private companies means that some of that £50m is just going to be profit for the companies rather than being used to fix potholes.
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They can afford to spend £9M on a propaganda leaflet to try and make people vote to stay in the EU but can only manage an extra £1m on our seriously poor roads.

That says a lot about priorities.
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The council are only obliged to pay out if you can show negligence from the council i.e they knew about it but failed to fix it.

If you are the first to report it then they can just fall under that and tell you to **** off.

Wrong but thats how it is AFAIK
Sounds like a great get out clause for the councils...
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That's why everyone needs to report all potholes... They can't say they didn't know about it... Use fixmystreet, it sends a direct report to the council and keeps a record of the report
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