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Lateness and manners

Before we start I'll point out that I despise lateness. If you say you're going to be somewhere at a set time, you ****ing well should be there. Only excuses involving severed limbs, extreme bloodloss or death are acceptable to me.

I have been on a course today at an office 5 minutes' walk away from my usual Manchester office. This is great for me because it meant I could go to my office first and get a couple of hours in before the 10.00am start. We were asked to aim to be 15 minutes early to get through security, get a drink, have a **** etc ready for a prompt 10 o'clock start. The start time is important for reasons I will explain shortly.

The course was for staff based throughout the north west meaning people came from as far afield as Blackburn, Liverpool and Warrington. OK, it's further than they usually travel but it's not the Shetland Isles is it? There is, therefore, no excuse for arriving at ten past ten. If you are the sort of feckless **** who is routinely late, when you arrive you should, in my view, come into the room, apologise, sit on the nearest chair you can see, and SHUT THE **** UP. What you shouldn't do is stand in the doorway, scan the room for your mates who could be arsed to get out of bed, then expect everyone to move whilst you battle through a packed room then rearrange the chairs to sit with them. What you also shouldn't do is start talking to them about the weather, the train journey, parking, football or anything else when some poor sod is stood at the front trying to explain complicated issues to thickos like me.

I'd like to say that this is the end of the rant but, sadly, I can't. Remember I said the start time was important? The course was scheduled to finish at 4pm according to the invite. There is some flexibility in this so if it starts on time and people are happy to only have 30 minutes for lunch, be quick about comfort breaks etc then, provided there are no IT disasters, fire alarms etc, you can usually be away for 3.30pm on these things.

At the morning coffee break, the same feckless ****s who were late go and see the facilitator to report that, as they have to travel all the way back to Liverpool/Blackburn/Warrington, they are booked on a 3.30pm train (to get home from a course that they were told would finish at 4pm weeks ago) so they really need to be away not long after 3pm. The facilitator should tell them to go and get shagged then report them to their manager for being feckless ****s, but he doesn't. He explains that there is some flexibility in this so if it starts on time and people are happy to only have 30 minutes for lunch, be quick about comfort breaks etc then, provided there are no IT disasters, fire alarms etc, he should be able to be done by then.

Coffee breaks are now limited to ten minutes, in which time you need to use the facilities, go to the coffee machine, and get back to your seat. For ten points, guess which class members go to the bog, use the coffee machine, then go and sits in a break out area with their mates and return to the classroom nearly 20 minutes later? Guess who was also late back from lunch? We lost over half an hour of the day because of the same ****s who wanted to get away early.

End of rant. Thanks for listening.

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Totally agree, keithyboy. Alas, there are some people who, it seems, are incapable of being on time to such an extent that it is almost a medical condition.

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Utterly despise lateness, particularly given that it's always the same people, so they really can't blame circumstances beyond their control.

This is joining "Powered By Fairydust" stickers as another crime for which I would happily restore capital punishment.
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Clearly not interested in the course content and are only there to collect the CPD points. In my opinion CPD has a lot to answer for. If you want to develop your career then you will do so without the need for formal CPD recording and if not no amount of formal CPD will make any difference.
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Generally speaking I hate being late for anything.

However when you live East of London and work in West London you have to accept it, if everything lines up train and underground wise I can be in for 9:00AM but it is usually about 9:15ish that I make it to my desk.

It does irk me somewhat though that there are people who live a lot more locally, that are regularly a lot later than I am ever am.
 
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You get sent on training courses... wow.
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Was it a "Time Management Skills" Course?
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Punctuality is most important, if I am less than 15 minutes early for an appointment I consider myself late.

Lateness is just rude and very bad manners!
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15 mins early is on time
on time is late
late is unacceptable

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I agree with him
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My younger sister is appalling at timekeeping and drives me and the family crackers.

My father used to fall out with her quite regularly when he was having chemo treatment, she was always late picking him up for his appointments.

Her reply when chastised was "they can't start without you". twart.

But telling her that it puts everybody out, my dad, the nurses, other patients waiting for the following appointments fell on deaf, and dumb ears....grrrrr.
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If I was late for this and that as a child my dad (brought up in a Victorian orphanage) would quote the old adage at me," Punctuality is the Privilege of Princes."?
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15 mins early is on time
on time is late
late is unacceptable

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I agree with him
Yet Mr. Shearer was habitually a couple of seconds late in the box.
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I'm always too early if anything.
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I'm always too early if anything.
So your wife keeps telling me.
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So your wife keeps telling me.
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I have been known to do dummy runs to important appointments so that I know where I am going, how long it will take to get there and where I can park. Even after that I factor in an extra 20 minutes just to be safe. A few months ago I accidentally arrived at a destination 45 minutes early.

Many years ago, when I was young and reckless a friend asked me to meet him for a night out. He said I'll see at wherever it was at 7:30. I arrive at 7:20 thinking I'll wait in the car for 5 or 10 minutes and he'll be here. An hour later he arrives with a couple of other people, I was so p****d off I told him to get ****** and left. Not one of my proudest days but he deserved it.
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I have been known to do dummy runs to important appointments so that I know where I am going, how long it will take to get there and where I can park. Even after that I factor in an extra 20 minutes just to be safe. A few months ago I accidentally arrived at a destination 45 minutes early.

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I do that too. I always googlemap/streetview check at final destination detail, and I don't trust postcodes

I check the parking situation

It bugs me when people turn up late and then use laziness or poor research as an excuse.
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I always make a point of getting to the channel tunnel early.....To get my cheaper time slot crossing, but it usually results in an earlier crossing in a more expensive time slot without the extra payment. Early is good!
I would like to point out though that I don't know you and what you do as a job, but the way you wrote the post, I'm guessing (Maybe wrongly) that it was a course for Public sector employees?? talking of "comfort breaks" smacks of Public sector speak for the opportunity of going for a sh*t ??
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I always make a point of getting to the channel tunnel early.....To get my cheaper time slot crossing, but it usually results in an earlier crossing in a more expensive time slot without the extra payment. Early is good!
I would like to point out though that I don't know you and what you do as a job, but the way you wrote the post, I'm guessing (Maybe wrongly) that it was a course for Public sector employees?? talking of "comfort breaks" smacks of Public sector speak for the opportunity of going for a sh*t ??
I do work in the public sector but I believe comfort break is fairly universal. I'm not sure it's even a public sector invention.
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