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Dreadful songs that are seen as great.

Now then I expect to be shot down in flames so fire away.

I love words. I expect the words in songs to mean something rather than just engender vague emotional responses. There are a number of songs that are universally accepted as great but, if actually analysed leave a great deal to be desired.

One of my least favourite songs is "My Way" which to me is an egocentric dirge from someone who doesn't give a damn about anyone else - but, hey, what the Hell, he rode roughshod over them all and forced his point of view on them and so did it "his way" - which makes him a bit of an idiot imo.

Am I alone here?

(I have more songs).

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A song lyric is merely a story to be told.

It can rhyme, it might not. It can be profound, it can be silly. It can be about some bird you shagged while you were at school, it could be about WW2.

A song can be about anything.

Whether you like it or not is another matter.

Things that can come into play: who is the singer? Do you think he/she is almost god-like, or do you think they can't sing for toffees?

Is the backing any good?

Most importantly, does the singer convey the full meaning and emotion of the lyric?

Even if they do, you might just think the song's crap.

For me, I can respect a song, even if I don't like the singer or empathise with the subject matter.

It's a very broad church, this songwriting lark.
 
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...and as it happens, I've always liked Frank Sinatra but years ago thought My Way was rubbish.

I quite like it these days.

That's the other thing, your taste in music and songs - as in so many things - can change as you get older.
 
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My Way is truly appalling. New York likewise.

Both songs diminish Sinatra's legacy as fewer audiences listen to his greatest works, and more radio stations normalise down to four or five songs.

My fave album is Frank Sinatra Sings for Only the Lonely,
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I love words. I expect the words in songs to mean something rather than just engender vague emotional responses.

I differ from you here Paul.

I'm quite a 'wordy' person. I appreciate a bit of clever punnery or whatever from time to time, and the same goes for music that I like.

Having said that, sometimes even just the sound of a song - the production, the instrumentation can make me glad I listened to it. If it just sounds good to my ear. The words can be banal, they can be nonsense lyrics, but if the song moves me in some way, that's what counts for me.

I can be moved by just the 'feel' of a song.






This still doesn't explain by extensive collection of Kylie Minogue records, but hey...
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Funny isn't it. I am in my middle 60's and cannot abide the music I was listening to years ago! "Yeah man, that was great man". "Powerful words man"." yeah real deep meaning man"....Well no actually, it was sh*t.
Music should be fun & uplifting, make you happy and smiley and not some deep thinking wordy b******s that gets you writing on forums about all the social injustice in the world (Goodbye Lou Read)....Here are some that are currently in my Deezer list...."Locked away" by R. City, "Peanut butter jelly" by Galantis, "What do you mean" by Justin Bieber and so on.(Totally meaningless twonk, but fun & uplifting and also...current.
Music from the likes of Sinatra, should be kept for use in care homes.
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French songs like "My Way" can be pretty miss and miss....
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Funny isn't it. I am in my middle 60's and cannot abide the music I was listening to years ago! "Yeah man, that was great man". "Powerful words man"." yeah real deep meaning man"....Well no actually, it was sh*t.
Music should be fun & uplifting, make you happy and smiley and not some deep thinking wordy b******s that gets you writing on forums about all the social injustice in the world (Goodbye Lou Read)....Here are some that are currently in my Deezer list...."Locked away" by R. City, "Peanut butter jelly" by Galantis, "What do you mean" by Justin Bieber and so on.(Totally meaningless twonk, but fun & uplifting and also...current.
Music from the likes of Sinatra, should be kept for use in care homes.

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Funny isn't it. I am in my middle 60's and cannot abide the music I was listening to years ago! "Yeah man, that was great man". "Powerful words man"." yeah real deep meaning man"....Well no actually, it was sh*t.
Music should be fun & uplifting, make you happy and smiley and not some deep thinking wordy b******s that gets you writing on forums about all the social injustice in the world (Goodbye Lou Read)....Here are some that are currently in my Deezer list...."Locked away" by R. City, "Peanut butter jelly" by Galantis, "What do you mean" by Justin Bieber and so on.(Totally meaningless twonk, but fun & uplifting and also...current.
Music from the likes of Sinatra, should be kept for use in care homes.

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French songs like "My Way" can be pretty miss and miss....

You're not a fan of Edith Piaf then?
 
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Of course there are also the great songs that are seen to be dreadful thread.....
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I differ from you here Paul.

I'm quite a 'wordy' person. I appreciate a bit of clever punnery or whatever from time to time, and the same goes for music that I like.

Having said that, sometimes even just the sound of a song - the production, the instrumentation can make me glad I listened to it. If it just sounds good to my ear. The words can be banal, they can be nonsense lyrics, but if the song moves me in some way, that's what counts for me.

I can be moved by just the 'feel' of a song.

This still doesn't explain by extensive collection of Kylie Minogue records, but hey...
Interesting - yes we are different.

Music alone can move me (no lyrics) in an emotional way. As soon as words are added, to me, they HAVE to mean something and so many don't. You can hear where words are included just because they seem to "fit" (not always scan grrrr..) even though they mean nothing in context and the "composer" thinks "Yeah - that'll do) when it clearly won't.

I don't care whether a song is old, young or anywhere in between - there are examples of great lyrics in all (most) genres of any age. Unfortunately such songs are crowded out by the general dross.

Two more pet hates:-

"Wind Beneath My Wings" :- pull yourself together and get some confidence
"Send in the Clowns":- sung by actors with dubious voices who think the word "rich" should be drenched in syrup.

Both are emotional drivel. (Well this IS the RANT room).

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Like a bit of everything in life I duz?

Sinatra is OK's by me, watched a number of his movies real time in the late forties and fifties, and I always play 'Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas' each yuletide, as her indoors likes it?

One favourite at the moment is 'My Lady Greensleeves' played on a renaissance Lute sung by Geronimo, as it lulls me to sleep just nicely in this cosy retirement home my dearest and I share?

I'm just a sentimental Old Ex. Tankie at heart, supping lifes Manuka Honey at every given opportunity.
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Two more pet hates:-

"Wind Beneath My Wings" :- pull yourself together and get some confidence
"Send in the Clowns":- sung by actors with dubious voices who think the word "rich" should be drenched in syrup.

Both are emotional drivel. (Well this IS the RANT room).

Wind Beneath My Wings - unmitigated drivel, agreed.

Send In The Clowns - Glynis Johns could make me cry by her rendition of that.

AS you so rightly suggest though Paul, different strokes for different folks!
 
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Wind Beneath My Wings - unmitigated drivel, agreed.

Send In The Clowns - Glynis Johns could make me cry by her rendition of that.

AS you so rightly suggest though Paul, different strokes for different folks!
Oh Max! - we almost agreed - but point taken.

I have given negatives - so time for positives.

I have been a fan of Beautiful South since inception (House Martins) - Paul Heaton writes great words.

This is not Beautiful South (copyright reasons) but a song released by Paul and Jacgui Abbott last year - should have got more recognition imo:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXM8KdpguEY

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Band aid! all versions of that terrible song. Live aid did great things to raise money, but what a load of garbage. The amount of talent involved and Midge and Bob decide to write the song!

Bob: We need to raise money for food with a Christmas song it'll tie in nicely with live aid
Midge: sounds great everyone in Africa is starving
Bob: well....... Not everyone
Midge: oh well lets stereotype everyone in Africa
Bob: great stuff quickly write a song it doesn't need to be accurate or good and we'll get our rich mates to sing it
Midge: the poor people will love this
Bob: we need to milk this for the next 30 years

I specially hate the bit with Bono (git) I don't think it would be as bad if I didn't have to hear it every Christmas as well

I just spent all morning watching a VH1 special on Gwen Stefani. I don't know what a Hollaback girl is. All I know is that I want her dead.

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Not knocking the cause just the song, although I believe a lot of the money raised was wasted.
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I think it's a case of the ends justified the means.

You have to come up with a song to go with Live Aid - pronto - and make it 'appealing to the masses'. I can see the difficulty.

But yes, it was schite .

Mind you, how about the Yanks, with We Are The World?
 
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I have never given to Live Aid because of all the hype and crap music.
Same thing with Children in Need - people dressing up in rubbishy costumes and performing singularly unfunny acts but thinking they can get away with third rate attempts because it is "charity" Ugh.

No biggie - I give to charities of my own choice throughout the year without blowing bells and whistles.
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That's fair enough, you choose to give, and to give in your own way.

But the fact remains, they raise a LOT of money for good causes.

Yes, I'm aware that people can suffer from charity overload and be put off by these shows. But I think on balance they make people think about charity, and give some money (which hopefully they give because they want to, not just out of guilt). They might not otherwise give that money.
 
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Mind you, how about the Yanks, with We Are The World?


I hope to god no one thinks of that song as great it's awful with a slice of Mercia
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There are a few "classics" (or at least staples of popular radio) that make me reach for the channel changer when they come on the radio:

- Unchained Melody (I wish they'd chain it back up again)
- Take My Breath Away (I wish someone would)
- Drive by the Cars (It does what it says on the tin. i.e. drives me up the wall)

It's not about the words, or even the tune - it's the whole overwrought emotion and hand wringing-ness of them
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