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"Let the train take the strain"?

Were the words of an old railway TV ad. In Nov, for our hols, because of where we are going and the day, we need to fly from Manchester. We thought about driving up, and as my sister lives within 20 mins of Man airport, parking would be free and free lift to and fro.
However, I thought that maybe by booking early, we might get a really decent price by rail.
I was totally wrong. Bury st Edmunds/Manchester airport return an eye watering £255 return for 2. So it will certainly be "let the M6 take the strain". If booking early is supposed to attract the cheapest prices, I dread to know what it would cost by booking with short notice.
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'let the M6 take the strain'


Nah, sorry but that doesn't scan.

Now what rhymes with M6?...............

That is a lot of wedge though. No wonder people favour their cars.
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I take it that's at least a couple of changes anyway and about what, 5 hours travel?

Use the car, go when YOU want to, only downside the longish drive.

Stupid money. For me only the short journeys make it worth using the train, against maybe fuel cost and parking. And for London its the congestion charge.

Hope you enjoy your hols by the way.

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We do really have a crap pricing system for our railways.

I'll not trot out the usual about travelling by train abroad, everybody has heard it, and we are a well travelled bunch on here so will have experience of a better service beyond our shores.

Have a good holiday
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Privatised rail:
Market forces:
Tough titties, just suck it up.



Do you expect the rest of the country to
pay taxes to subsidize your rail journeys or something?
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Privatised rail:
Market forces:
Tough titties, just suck it up.



Do you expect the rest of the country to
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Ere we go again...........Actually yes. I was never in favour of privatisation of British rail in the first place.
As for market forces, I regularly see many large passenger trains go over both Elmswell & Stowmarket level crossings virtually empty. Is that what they call market forces? i.e supply & demand? How strange.
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How I miss soggy sandwiches at the station cafes and porters with their barrows to assist with ones luggage?

Plus not having the use of a leather strap to admit the air from outside the carriage which was tinged with smoke from the beast up front, coupled with cinders in the eye?

Are you eligible for your bus pass yet HG14?
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Ere we go again...........Actually yes. I was never in favour of privatisation of British rail in the first place.
As for market forces, I regularly see many large passenger trains go over both Elmswell & Stowmarket level crossings virtually empty. Is that what they call market forces? i.e supply & demand? How strange.
and yet they still make big profits and bonuses even tho the service is shocking
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Report in today's paper that rail users in the south, particularly those commuting into London, are, in an indirect way, subsidizing the northern rail network.



Just saying
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If I am commuting into London, it is cheaper to take my 4.6 litre Land Rover than get the train. Ho hum, V8s are fun.
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How I miss soggy sandwiches at the station cafes and porters with their barrows to assist with ones luggage?

Plus not having txhe use of a leather strap to admit the air from outside the carriage which was tinged with smoke from the beast up front, coupled with cinders in the eye?

Are you eligible for your bus pass yet HG14?
When the Ad agency pitched for the British Rail campaign they downgraded their reception area with a rude receptionist and tables with uncleared coffee cups etc to welcome the BR execs and then told them this was how the train customers were treated! Not sure if they extended it to soggy sandwiches!
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Just as you're a customer as opposed to a passenger,as the latter would indicate you will get onto a train. If it's too busy you've got an overpriced ticket and that's the goods you've received.
A colleague is going from Coventry to Liverpool to collect a car purchase today and it's much cheaper to rent a car than to go by train ; £26 instead of £80.
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Totally in sympathy with Headgasket.

The train prices in this country are truly appalling.

France - OK
Germany - better

We (taxpayers) still pay subsidies to private companies - disgusting imo. Either it is private - get on with it - or not.

If a National transport system is privately owned then the profits go to investors. If state owned such profits can be rightly plowed back in structural investment and lower fares.

Bring back Nationalisation - both train companies and the infrastructure.

My flag seem to becoming increasingly red.
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Totally in sympathy with Headgasket.

The train prices in this country are truly appalling.

France - OK
Germany - better

We (taxpayers) still pay subsidies to private companies - disgusting imo. Either it is private - get on with it - or not.

If a National transport system is privately owned then the profits go to investors. If state owned such profits can be rightly plowed back in structural investment and lower fares.

Bring back Nationalisation - both train companies and the infrastructure.

My flag seem to becoming increasingly red.
Unfortunately this doesn't happen. With nationalisation comes over manning and inefficiencies which means that in many cases the "profits" end up in the pockets of the employees through more money for less work.
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Lets hope that - just like energy companies are now - they become legally-obliged to so so.

In reality, they are operating a state-authorised local monopoly.
 
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I dont understand how the train companies can be considered anything other than a monopoly... just because there is more than one in the country doesnt mean anything.

If I want to go to London from a local station I can only go with South West trains... that is it, no competition whatsoever
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Yes, they are a monopoly, for the duration of their tenure.

Not only that, a state subsidised and authorised monopoly.
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The rail infrastructure company in this country is a major land/property owner like the church . Is this liability the case with Rail companies elsewhere, I wonder?
If so , they have no excuse for charging so much more than French ,Italian or German providers.
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Unfortunately this doesn't happen. With nationalisation comes over manning and inefficiencies which means that in many cases the "profits" end up in the pockets of the employees through more money for less work.
That was the argument used for privatisation which, tbh, I believe to be a nonsense.

However there is no reason why a new system of re-nationalisation could not be introduced to ensure efficiency without wastage and all profit ploughed back for the benefit of those who paid for it (us).

Just look at what happened when National Express lost the East Coast line after making a loss. The state took it on and made profit.

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I dont understand how the train companies can be considered anything other than a monopoly... just because there is more than one in the country doesnt mean anything.

If I want to go to London from a local station I can only go with South West trains... that is it, no competition whatsoever
We wanted to take the grandson on a train journey the other week.

From Pontefract to Goole, a nice short journey I thought, 30 mins on the m62.

I put the details into the journey planner and it said I had to go Swinton, SY and then to Doncaster SY, changing twice to get to Goole, an hour and a half to travel 24 miles.
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People these days seem to have very rose tinted memories of British Rail. Let's face it, it was pretty awful.
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I used to use BR all the time and apart from teh odd Sunday evening engineering works never
really had an issue.

Those student cards were well useful.

As were the travel-anywhere-for-£5-weekend promotions.




And Redstar to ship stuff anywhere there was a train station.
Logical use of the train network.
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