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Slagging off Breras and 159s

I have every sympathy with Hunter and his problems with ARUK and sincerely hope that things are sorted to his satisfaction, one way or another, sooner rather than later. What sticks in my craw is the fact that his thread complaining about an accident damaged car, a poor dealership and lack of interest from ARUK has, as usual, spawned the usual "159s and Breras" are crap anyway" replies.

Sorry if I'm being sensitive but I find this an insult to those of us who have recently bought 159s and Breras, not a few of whom have taken delivery this weekend, with our hard earned cash and after a number of test drives. Just for the record I chose with my heart and my head and, after 6 weeks of ownership, can think of no reason why I would want to change.

People complain about the weight of the car. So what? Does it outrage your sense of justice that it my be 0.2 seconds slower to 60 than some other make with the same power and price? Is it the fact that you can't throw it full pelt into tight corners on public roads (actually the 159 corners remarkably well)? Could it be that the new cars are not as noisy or unsettled as a 156 or GTV and are, therefore, considered less of an Alfa?

I have had a 145, 166 and 156 and loved them all (even the 166, which was a reliability nightmare). But the 159 beats them all as an overall package. It is supremely better built, it has beautifully balanced brakes, handling and ride, it is more comfortable than the 166 and it is easily quicker point to point than the 156. Most importantly, however, it still makes me smile like the other Alfas did; to sit in, to drive and to glance back over the shoulder at. These are the reasons I have had four Alfas and they are also the reasons the 159 and Brera are every bit as much an Alfa as the older models.
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in my view anyone who 'slags off' ANY alfa whether that be be an arna to a montreal and including any new/old model is not a true alfisti and merely tries to join the bandwagon without knowing why they are there it is a select club of ownership where you have an alfa (or in my previous cars lancia) because it is an alfa (or lancia ) and accept the car for what it is, if you want a boring same as everything else never break down car then go and buy a ford/vw/vauxhall/audi/rover/anything jap and try and find it in a crowded car park (you won't, they all are as bland as each other ) NEVER slate another alfa, whatever you think of them. me, i would love to have a 159 or brera, just will settle for my 156 and sprint right now having said all that, whats the argument about just gone off on one again without knowing the background hunter? aren't you the one that had the problem with the brake pedal going to the floor a while back ? meant to keep my eye on that thread
 
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Well said you 2, if i wanted a solid boring car i would still have the bm, but i haven't & i don't know why , the alfa just makes me SMILE.
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I've never lost sleep over it.

The Breras have gotten a right kicking on here from day one.
But I've never owned such a great car. And I never thought
I'd own one that got so much attention.

Just today some biker was tappin' on my window
to discuss his recently remapped Silver JTDm Brera.

Neither the 159 or Brera are perfect, but Brera is
the perfect car for me.

And the 159SW is the best looking estate on the road today.
 
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Points very well made chaps: The way I boost my enthusiasm for the marque, is to take her 147 for a drive sometimes, then it all flows back. That's why I got it as a replacement for her reliable, but oh! so mundane company car, when she retired from work.

The snag is, if one is not careful, as this is such a popular site, the moans and groans appear all to frequently, and have sometimes got me 'brainwashed' a bit into thinking, wonder if this will fail, or that go wrong? Then I say hang on, ours is just fine! The Selespeed does everything it should, and my wife keeps telling me to disregard the negative stuff, and if it does malfunction, we will get it fixed at a reputable Alfa specialist.

So, I suppose with any make of car, the appropriate websites suffer the same thing, just have to rise above it, and enjoy your good one that you chose!:
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I don't think Hunter's thread was intended to offend anyone. He wrote it in the heat of anger, and I think anyone who had had a potentially near death experience in the same car twice in a short space of time, only to be fobbed off by the garage(s), would have similar sentiments to express.

Don't take it personally Fraser. Hunter chose the car for much the same reasons you did, I am sure. Unfortunately, he has had misfortune in abundance with his, to the extent he has completely lost faith in AR.

I feel so, so sorry for him, and only hope his case will be one of isolation and not commonplace.

The Breras and 159s are fabulous cars, and you only need to read the countless posts on here from everyone who has gushed over your piccies, Nomads, etc, to know that the majority of us feel that way about them.

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Its no use getting worked up about Alfa slagging, it comes free with every car. I took the Gtv for MOT at my regular testers and was greeted with "more Italian crap lets see how long the list is today". Half an hour later I had to bite my tongue as he gave me the pass certificate. What he didn't see from his office was what we buy Alfas for, every person in the place looked at the car while I was there, the young apprentices were drooling over it. Likewise when a 159 or Brera is parked you can see people looking at them. If they weighed 3 tons and did 0-60 in 12 secs, I wouldn't care, I want one.
Chill out guys you've got the best looking cars on the road.
 
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just found the thread that has got hunter hot under the collar, seems he has got reasonable grounds to be upset a bit but, it does come down to the fact that it is a problem with his car and the fact that alfa are alfa (and not like others such as bm who crawl all over customers) . i'm sure if his car was sorted first time (or replaced as it seems it is not quite what it should be) then all this would not have happened . whether we choose to accept these failings is down to personal choice. i have never (and prob never will) had a new car so have not had to put up with the dealer network. i will say that modern cars are getting too complicated for there own good, which is no mistake from the makers. think about the future, you have say a 10 year old car, something goes wrong with the ebd/electronic handbrake/keyless ignition/any crap unneccesary electronic invention and the dealer says 'gonna cost £2k to fix' what do you think will happen? your gonna scrap it aren't you and buy another newer 'improved' model , thereby giving the manufacturers a quicker turnover of new cars. in 20 years time how many 10 year old cars will be on the road? NONE! its not like with suds that the rust kills em, its gonna be electronics, instead of a mig in your garage at home your gonna need a diagnostics machine!
 
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diagnostics machine we will have then & we will know how to use it as well. life moves on & we evolve.
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diagnostics machine we will have then & we will know how to use it as well. life moves on & we evolve.
probably will too
 
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You are right AF. Not so long back I read in one of the publications, that even MB were unable to sort various problems out, on one of their top of the range models. The guy that owned it was rather cheesed off to say the least, having spent tens of thousands of pounds to buy it in the first place.: I can understand the braking concerns, from the safety aspect,but I have only had a couple of problems with braking systems in 50 odd years of motoring.

Perhaps just born under a lucky star?:
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I don't think Hunter's thread was intended to offend anyone. He wrote it in the heat of anger, and I think anyone who had had a potentially near death experience in the same car twice in a short space of time, only to be fobbed off by the garage(s), would have similar sentiments to express.

Don't take it personally Fraser. Hunter chose the car for much the same reasons you did, I am sure. Unfortunately, he has had misfortune in abundance with his, to the extent he has completely lost faith in AR.

I feel so, so sorry for him, and only hope his case will be one of isolation and not commonplace.

The Breras and 159s are fabulous cars, and you only need to read the countless posts on here from everyone who has gushed over your piccies, Nomads, etc, to know that the majority of us feel that way about them.
No no no, I wasn't getting at Hunter and I am really upset by his experience. It's the many others who have treated Hunter's thread to have a go at the new models in general.
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I know you weren't. The others just jumped on the bandwagon with him. Think many peeps on here are jealous of these gorgeous cars tho, which might account for some of it.
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Was one of them posts mine Fraser? If it was, it wasn't meant to slag off the newer models. I was on about the dealers as I have promblems with them too but not to that extent!
 
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Was one of them posts mine Fraser? If it was, it wasn't meant to slag off the newer models. I was on about the dealers as I have promblems with them too but not to that extent!
No Mark it wasn't. Dealer complaints I can take but I'm fed up with the continuous carping about the new models.

TBH I couldn't name those that have hacked me off - it's just a general attitude that seems common at the moment.
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The only thing I am envious, jealous, about, is losing youth, and my original narcissistic beauty and health, as I gradually 'crock-up'
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Fraser, I have not driven either the 159 or the Brera, so I will not comment on how they drive. However, as much as I love Alfas (and I honestly do), I don't see why that should prevent me from being honest and open about what might annoy me about some Alfas (as I have done). No one makes a perfect car - that is a fact. But Alfa makes the cars that we respond to/relate to the best.

I'm still not sure about the shape of the Brera, but my goodness, you are all friends here, and who am I to take away from the pleasure an AO-er gets from their Brera?

I can understand if you get annoyed at petty slating of the Brera/159, but if it is criticism routed in fact, them we put up with it, gloss over it, and then continue to enjoy our cars regardless.

I guess I'm saying...if the criticism is unjust just ignore it. You have a dashing car that makes you smile. In a complicated world full of misery and grief, take a step back and enjoy what you have for being right for you.

I don't think I've articulated my point very clearly there. I've loved Alfas for years, and have had to put up with so much anti-alfa propoganda from people who have never even owned an Alfa, that I've developed a thick skin to the complaints. I know it is the right car for me. If the BMW is the right car for Trevor, than fine. If the Audi is the right car for Adrian, then that's fine, too. If the Alfa is the right car for me, then I couldn't give two hoots if the ashtray isn't damped, or the dials don't glow blue at night, or whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever et al.

While they carp, you get to enjoy a lovely car. It's clear to me who the winner is here.

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one thing is becoming clear, we are all pasionate about our cars, THATS what alfa ownership is about
 
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The Brera and the 159 are fantastic looking and I am sure they perform just as well, I like them anyway.

If someone wants to give me one I won't decline, lol

Kev is right though, the problem with newer car's is that they aren't 'Second Hand' friendly. Its very well if you buy new and get an X amount of years warranty with it, but when you buy that car off the originial owner with no warranty on it: If anything goes wrong, youre screwed.
 
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I am with you Fraser

Love live Alfas
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As usual you have put together your point very cogently and I can't argue with what you say. I accept that the Brera and 159 are by no means perfect but there is some bile aimed at them for no real reason that I can understand. As I've said, I may be being over-sensitive but some of the comments basically imply that the people that have bought these cars somehow have poor judgement. I don't mind people having an opinion or making a point, but I do mind being branded some kind of half-wit. (Sensitive and paranoid yes, half-wit no )


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Kev is right though, the problem with newer car's is that they aren't 'Second Hand' friendly. Its very well if you buy new and get an X amount of years warranty with it, but when you buy that car off the originial owner with no warranty on it: If anything goes wrong, youre screwed.
As you say that's a problem with every new car, not just Alfas.
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Or Masers Eh! BF?
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That's why I like cars such as The Lotus Elise and The Vauxhall VX220, nothing too fancy to have to worry about going wrong, lol.

Just little stunners shooting around all over the place!

(Sounds like the Twins off Big Brother!)
 
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That's why I like cars such as The Lotus Elise and The Vauxhall VX220, nothing too fancy to have to worry about going wrong, lol.

Just little stunners shooting around all over the place!

(Sounds like the Twins off Big Brother!)
With you on that one. I'd love an Elise or Westfield but I think I'll go vintage instead sometime soon - Spider Duetto or Austin Healey
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