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According to news reports (BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Betancourt rescuer wore Red Cross), one of the soldiers who rescued Betancort wore the emblem of the Red Cross.

This only puts at greater risk all who legitimately carry emblems of humanitarian organisations worldwide and affects those they strive to aid. Those people are the real heroes, in my book.

A stupid irresponsible act by one soldier is a sad footnote on this successful rescue mission.
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Not good, but it is Colombia.
 
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Re: Colombian military rescuer risks lives worldwide

And who would know apart from some Columbian terrorists if the BBC didn't splat it all over their website?

I think that it is fairly well evidenced that the Red Crescent ambulances have been heavily used by terrorists in the Middle East to smuggle arms, etc.
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Nervous soldier acting against orders? These Columbians are experienced counter-insurgency troops not a bunch of conscripts. The soldier in question was probably the section medic, in which case he is perfectly entitled to wear the red cross.

But of course the BBC would prefer that a bunch of 'freedom-fighters' were allowed to have free range as it fits in with their editorial world view that anybody who declares themselves to be a freedom-fighter is OK and should be supported.

The BBC's news service is woeful. If they aren't just regurgitating a press release with the phrase 'there are calls...', they are posting stories about completely irrelevant cr*p. Next time they do an interview, ask what vested interest the expert has. Do it enough times and you begin to see what a complete load of rubbish BBC news really is.

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Re: Colombian military rescuer risks lives worldwide

could be worse, it could have been sky news now theres a joke of a news channel.
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And who would know apart from some Columbian terrorists if the BBC didn't splat it all over their website?
Are you seriously suggesting that the press should be censored?

These are the the words of the Colombian authorities.

Try googling "colombian betancort "red cross"". I think you'll find it even reported in the Telegraph. Hardly the last bastion of the loonie left.

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I think that it is fairly well evidenced that the Red Crescent ambulances have been heavily used by terrorists in the Middle East to smuggle arms, etc.
It is alleged - but it it well evidenced? I don't know.

I tried googling it and couldn't come up with a single news agency that reported such events. There were prominent political pressure groups however....

In any case - if it happens it is also equally wrong. No?

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Nervous soldier acting against orders? These Columbians are experienced counter-insurgency troops not a bunch of conscripts. The soldier in question was probably the section medic, in which case he is perfectly entitled to wear the red cross.
If you actually read the widely reported articles - that's what the Colombian authorities said...

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But of course the BBC would prefer that a bunch of 'freedom-fighters' were allowed to have free range as it fits in with their editorial world view that anybody who declares themselves to be a freedom-fighter is OK and should be supported.
I don't think anyone here is defending the Farq - including the BBC.

It would seem that to make a point you are making stuff up.

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The BBC's news service is woeful. If they aren't just regurgitating a press release with the phrase 'there are calls...', they are posting stories about completely irrelevant cr*p. Next time they do an interview, ask what vested interest the expert has. Do it enough times and you begin to see what a complete load of rubbish BBC news really is.

Sorry for hijacking the thread with a BBC rant.
Shame the BBC can't be the paragon of journalistic virtue such as the Express, the Mail, The Sun, Evening Standard. They don't make stuff up at all, do they? Ever.
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The Red Cross/Red Crescent are part of the same organisation, and most of the allegations come from Israeli websites (hardly unbiased), and a couple from the CIA.
If it happens it is wrong, but as Alfared points out, allegations are very different from evidence.
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I tried googling it and couldn't come up with a single news agency that reported such events.
Go and try a bit harder then.
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Go and try a bit harder then.
...you couldn't find any either then?
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There have been quite a few reports of Red Crescent vehicles being targeted by the IDF, despite being clearly marked, and picking up injured people.
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...you couldn't find any either then?
Indictment on Use of Ambulances for Terrorist Acti

And if you don't believe them then you probably think the London Underground bombings were a CIA plot too.
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Re: Colombian military rescuer risks lives worldwide

But can you find a reference which is non-partial?

As you reference, Israel has often attacked ambulances. This they don't dispute. Their only excuse doesn't seem to be coroborated by ANY independent sources. Or does it? Citation?

And in any case, it doesn't excuse the Colombian military personnel from doing precisely what you allege of arabs. Does it?

After all. Isn't that the original point you are disputing?
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But can you find a reference which is non-partial?
There is plenty of video evidence if you care to look about.

YouTube - Reuters - Palestinians Terrorists use UN Ambulance

I doubt if this was taken by a Reuters cameraman but the BBC and ITN used it at the time.

And here is a great site for all the Ambulance attack stories, or at least one of them.

The Red Cross Ambulance Incident

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After all. Isn't that the original point you are disputing?
I didn't dispute anything.
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As I said - whoever violates the Geneva convention in this way is shameless. Do we all agree on that?
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Alfaredthegreat - "As I said - whoever violates the Geneva convention in this way is shameless. Do we all agree on that?"
Firstly, I totally agree with you, but it should also apply to us in the West - particularly US, UK and Israel. The invasion of a sovereign country - Iraq - and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, plus the torture and rendition flights. These were all massive breaches of the Geneva convention, but they will never be punished, because we are on the "winning" side.
The "Red Cross ambulance incident" was from a site called "Zombietime", who try to rubbish any news story which contradicts or criticises the far right Neo Con or Israeli stance.
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The "Red Cross ambulance incident" was from a site called "Zombietime", who try to rubbish any news story which contradicts or criticises the far right Neo Con or Israeli stance.
Are they wrong in this instance?
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How do we know if they are wrong or right? Read the whole article, and see the names of the newspapers it tries to discredit. If you do a quick search on the web (much as you have asked us to), then you will find several articles relating to this one photographers use of Photoshop.
Zombietime, is a site which sets out to rubbish the cause of Anti war movement and the Democratic party in the US.
We don't need sites like this, whose sole purpose is to inflame situations, by providing unreliable "evidence". They are no different to any so called "conspiracy" site on the web.
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How do we know if they are wrong or right?
So you don't know if they are wrong then.
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If you care that much then go to Columbia and other 'hot' areas of the world, stick your Red cross on and see for yourself how much respect you're treated to.
This soldier would (as mentioned above) be the medic there to provide first aid to the hostages and his own unit as required. Security services of all nations have infiltrated countries disguised as journalists/aid workers etc to aid the greater good of their own nation,if you think it's unnacceptable then all you are is naive maybe the Columbians should just have asked nicely for the hostages back!

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I don't know if anyone is still following this - but just in case:-

BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Red Cross probes emblem 'misuse'

No excuse for this sort of thing. It jeopardises many times more lives that it saves.
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Will I ever need the International Red Cross...mmmmmm No.

Will I ever need rescued from a Columbian jungle from FARC terrorists and the Drugs Warlords........ you never know.
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Are you serious?

Do you have any idea how many lives the International Red Cross saves?
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Are you serious?

Do you have any idea how many lives the International Red Cross saves?
No to the first bit and yes to the second bit.
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Re: Colombian military rescuer risks lives worldwide

and the answer is?
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