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... of everything except estate agents, charity shops and big supermarkets.

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French President Nicolas Sarkozy is trying to loosen the rules, making it easier to build supermarkets and letting retailers and suppliers negotiate prices more freely. Lawmakers yesterday approved a measure, which must still clear the Senate.
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Lets hope a few "burnings" will keep the
likes of Tescos out of French towns.
 
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Hopefully all the french people will move out ... I've always said it's a great country except for one thing ...


You forgot to mention all the people who sell up in the UK and with the help of Phil and Kirsty renovate their dream home in the French countryside ...
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You forgot to mention all the people who sell up in the UK and with the help of Phil and Kirsty renovate their dream home in the French countryside ...
What? The one's who ***** about no one
speaking English and are now selling up to
move back and accepting 30% below market
value because they are still thinking in Pounds,
Which have dropped against the Euro.

 
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What? The one's who ***** about no one
speaking English and are now selling up to
move back and accepting 30% below market
value because they are still thinking in Pounds,
Which have dropped against the Euro.


Yes Nev I'm talking about you
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Yes Nev I'm talking about you
I rent. (Where I live anyway.)
 
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I have been to Slovakia twice this year and find it really depressing that the single most obvious brand in the city is Tesco, due largely to the two large stores and the massive advertising banners adorning the side of apartment blocks as you drive in and out of the town.

Not only are they ruining competition over by surrounding towns with their stores, they are now trying to take over the rest of the world!
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It's called free enterprise mate.
If free enterprise means deserted run-down town centres and everyone driving to out-of-town retail estates, then it's surely not a good thing?
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If free enterprise means deserted run-down town centres and everyone driving to out-of-town retail estates, then it's surely not a good thing?
And plenty of cheap booze for the kiddies too!



It'll be interesting if Sarko gets this passed
and how the workers and buying public then
react.

They want to reduce costs be does society
just end up paying for cheap goods in other
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If free enterprise means deserted run-down town centres and everyone driving to out-of-town retail estates, then it's surely not a good thing?
But if the people cared about their town centres in the first place, they wouldn't have gone to Tesco would they?

I'm not supporting Tesco by the way, just being Devil's advocate and bringing an opposite point of view to the table.
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But if the people cared about their town centres in the first place, they wouldn't have gone to Tesco would they?

I'm not supporting Tesco by the way, just being Devil's advocate and bringing an opposite point of view to the table.
Because it's there!

It's cheaper and more convenient. Hang the consequences.

It's a very good question. Humans do lots of stupid things in the interest of short term gain. Presumably hoping the inevitable won't come to be. Superman will come and save the day.

Now, where did I park the gas-guzzler???? *shakes head*
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... of everything except estate agents, charity shops and big supermarkets.
Just like the UK then, really.


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Surely you don't really object to a UK PLC doing well overseas ? It's a good thing not something to be decried in my book.
I couldn't give a toss either way, to be honest - brings little benefit to me and I feel no more an attachment to Tesco than I do to any of the other bÍtes noires, McDonalds, Walmart et al - I do see what you mean about the hypocrisy of some people, but I try my hardest to put my money where my mouth is, both here and abroad.
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It's called free enterprise mate.

Lot's of people I know don't like Tesco (or some of the other big grocers) but they still tootle off and fill their trollies every week.

Surely you don't really object to a UK PLC doing well overseas ? It's a good thing not something to be decried in my book.
No objection at all to UK companies doing well, anywhere. My concern is with the approach they take in the UK itself! Personally I've manged to avoid Tesco for about three years (until last week ) and I still prefer to buy elsewhere if possible. Walmart aren't much better but they haven't had the same policy IMO.

My problem with the Slovakia situation was merely because I don't like to see local culture & brands etc dominated by multi-nationals. It's equally applicable to other situations, for example like Heineken owning most of the local beers over there!
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If free enterprise means deserted run-down town centres and everyone driving to out-of-town retail estates, then it's surely not a good thing?
Spot on.

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But if the people cared about their town centres in the first place, they wouldn't have gone to Tesco would they?
Life is all about convenience nowadays and it'll only get worse in the current economic climate now because Tesco will be cheapest in the supermarket wars!
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Life is all about convenience nowadays and it'll only get worse in the current economic climate now because Tesco will be cheapest in the supermarket wars!
I would say if we care more about convenience than interesting, small businesses with unique products made from local produce, then we don't deserve to have them.

I don't think legislation should prevent chain stores from opening, just because people don't have the strength of character to stand up for what they say they believe in.

The South Park episode "Something Walmart Comes This Way" is worth a watch..

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In the words of The Jam "The public gets what the public wants"
First Weller gets co-opted by Cameron, and now he's an advocate for the strong-arm business practices of Tesco and its ilk?

I don't have any objection to any supermarkets or to people who shop in them, but I'd rather (where possible) spend my money keeping local businesses and specialist shops going - and if one looks at quality of life in its broadest sense, I don't think it shows a lack of pragmatism to be a little wary at the prospect of every town in the UK containing a McDonalds, a Starbucks, a Tesco, a Blockbuster, a Wetherspoons and little else. Other than more expensive food and commodities, I don't think the country or the population would have suffered unduly if we hadn't jumped head-first into the homogenisation of the last 20 or 30 years.
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I doubt very much that Weller would advocate that sort of thing at all I'm only using his words to make a point. Nobody has forced the UK populace to jump head first into homogenisation and we have done so quite willingly.
doesn't make it right though, does it. Democracy doesn't by definition give the "right" answer. Although it wasn't exactly by a resounding public backing, don't forget that it was democracy that brought Hitler to power. I don't think it was the West's finest example of a democratic beacon. Do you?

People can be errr, unwise.
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I honestly believe humanity will sleep walk into extinction. Each of us too stupid and selfish to realise we have to make sacrifices for the benefit of the species (if not planet).
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What? The one's who ***** about no one
speaking English and are now selling up to
move back and accepting 30% below market
value because they are still thinking in Pounds,
Which have dropped against the Euro.

That's very true. My Dad's wife's parents (my step grandparents?) have done exactly that after spending four years in France.
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I am in two minds about this.

I love French towns and the local feel they provide, but I think competition is stifled a little in France.

Perhaps the answer is to build big industrial/trading estates miles from anywhere nice
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Perhaps the answer is to build big industrial/trading estates miles from anywhere nice
That's what we've already got.
 
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If free enterprise means deserted run-down town centres and everyone driving to out-of-town retail estates, then it's surely not a good thing?
in reality these out of town sites are not out of town but in areas where people live, so they do not have to go to miles to town in their cars etc, but just a short drive to their nearest store. How much of this decline is out of town driven or internet shopping driven?

also people forget these chains were once small businesses, Tesco started as a market stall, opened another, then another, small businesses do not survived if they become complacent or lazy and some smaller businesses are just that and complain, if they came up with a proper strategy they could out-do the chains in certain key areas.

Tesco bought the a chain of stores in Eastern Europe for the price of building a couple of superstores in the UK, good business sense.

Finally these stores have done more to control inflation than the likes of Brown/Blair etc etc, I suspect part of the reasons that inflation is on the way up is that these stores are run so efficiently there are no more areas to get significant efficiency gains to drive down prices.
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also people forget these chains were once small businesses, Tesco started as a market stall, opened another, then another, small businesses do not survived if they become complacent or lazy and some smaller businesses are just that and complain, if they came up with a proper strategy they could out-do the chains in certain key areas.
the intrinsic problem of this is that ultimately it leads to monopolies and hyper-inflation. Hence the free market cannot work without regulation. It's a pipedream.
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if they came up with a proper strategy they could out-do the chains in certain key areas.
Many of them do - choice, quality, other things that add value. Ever tried getting a brioche in Tesco?

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these stores have done more to control inflation than the likes of Brown/Blair etc etc, I suspect part of the reasons that inflation is on the way up is that these stores are run so efficiently there are no more areas to get significant efficiency gains to drive down prices.
I'm not convinced this is a good thing - food is the cheapest it's ever been, historically, and there are very real consequences in terms of the suppliers and producers. It amazes me that people get their knickers in a twist about Primark and others who use manufacturers that don't adhere to the same sorts of standards we would expect here, but think nothing at all about the conditions, cost-limitations and so on that are involved in producing things that people actually eat.
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Is the food cheap due to efficiency savings our by downward pressure on the wages/working conditions of suppliers, in addition to using cheaper and cheaper ingredients, that is the pertinent question.
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Is the food cheap due to efficiency savings our by downward pressure on the wages/working conditions of suppliers, in addition to using cheaper and cheaper ingredients, that is the pertinent question.
A bit of both - all the major supermarkets are incredibly efficient in terms of handling their end of the operation, but their suppliers and contractors have had to bear the lion's share of the driving down of prices and standards.

I popped in to the Ginger Pig today for a joint of beef for tomorrow. It cost roughly three times as much as a supermarket joint would cost, but I can tell just by looking at it that it will be immeasurably better.
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