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3 years ago I was the proud owner of a 1.1 SX Fiat punto, it was a runabout for me for a few weeks until I had saved for something better.

On selling it I struggled to get 400 for it, even though it was lowish mileage and in pretty good condition.

Now, due to needing a second car for work and for the Mrs to learn to drive in I am looking to buy another.

Now the price of small cars has rocketed. The cheapest one we can now find at a cursory glance is 700, and that is for a big mile one on an M plate.

The small car market has gone mad, even for old junkers.

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Re: The price of small cars...

Sign of the times unfortunately - people think small = better fuel economy.
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Oh dear! I sold my Punto 55s for £600 (£75 more than I bought it for ) with 90-something thousand miles and in rather good condition, a year and a half ago. Looks like you got done sy
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There seems to be this concept at the moment that small cars are more fuel efficient ... well they are to a point but it all comes down to how you drive it ... they proved on top gear the other night that a BMW M3 was more fuel efficient than a toyota prius, driven at the same (fast) speed.

I think one of the guys on here has bought a diesel ford mondeo as a run around, I believe he bought it for 400 ...
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i've got a 1998 VW Polo 1.4 auto with 110,000 on the clock. It's so dull to drive, it's physically painfully, but it's riding the fuel/credit storm with admirable aplomb. What it lacks in desirability (which, let's be honest, is absolutely everything) it makes up for by sticking two VW-shaped fingers up to Gordon Brown and his equally mean-spirited *******os.

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I think one of the guys on here has bought a diesel ford mondeo as a run around, I believe he bought it for 400 ...
That'll be me, bought from my next door neighbour.

Its in good condition, has MOT and tax, 1.8 diesel so you can get 40mpg ragging it around.. It has 146k on the clock, on a 99 V reg, has been used to do York -> Croydon and back a couple of times a week for the last 5 years. Was a company car with Nestle before that. I think that was a bargain really, but if you are looking for a car that cheap there is no point looking on Autotrader, when people want small amounts they won't pay to advertise. Check ASDA, Tesco, Sainsbury noticeboards.

Best thing about the Mondy is I can run it on veg oil 50:50 with diesel. So 2 litres costs me 56p + 126.9 (asda, inc. 2p off with my asda credit card) = 91.25p per litre. So thats 40mpg on a gallon that costs 4.15. To drive that cheaply, you'd need to do 55.5mpg on diesel at 126.9 a litre, or find a petrol that does 51.6 mpg on petrol at 117.9p a litre.

And that is me braying the arse off it most of the time, 90% urban driving. I got 48mpg or so on a motorway run to Nottingham, driving at 90-100 (km/h of course officer).

I was planning on getting rid of it now the Alfa is back on the road but I can't justify it cost wise. So I'm looking out for a dual car insurance policy, so I can use the Alfa only when I really feel like it. TBH, the Mondeo is better on York's urban roads anyway as its all pot-holed and speed-bumped. Coilovers do not suit

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Cheers guys, I think I will have a look around the local notice boards.

Does anyone know if a Diesel Punto from around 1997 will run on Veggie oil mixed with regular Diesel? I have a mate who runs a chip shop, so I might be able to persuade him to sell me some oil. (Clean stuff, I can't be done with cleaning up dirty veggie oil)

He would be able to buy it cheap.
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Cheers guys, I think I will have a look around the local notice boards.

Does anyone know if a Diesel Punto from around 1997 will run on Veggie oil mixed with regular Diesel? I have a mate who runs a chip shop, so I might be able to persuade him to sell me some oil. (Clean stuff, I can't be done with cleaning up dirty veggie oil)
The rule is typically if it isn't common rail then its fine. Fuel pressure is too high on common rail. Start on a weak mix first, 4:1, then gradually reduce it down to 1:1, add diesel if you are getting any starting issues. You'll need to replace the fuel filter after the first 2,000 miles, and probably again in another 5,000 miles. Make sure your glow plugs work well. You'll lose a bit of top end power but I think it is torquier mid-range. I think I've read somewhere that veg oil has more energy than diesel per litre, but is harder to burn, so when it has time to burn properly in the cylinders (low revs) you get more torque and better fuel economy, but when it is at high revs it struggles to combust fully, meaning you have a bit less torque (hence power) over normal diesel fuel.

You have to assume though, that running on veg will knacker the engine in the long run. I can't remember what figure I worked out but I needed to do x amount of miles on the veg oil mix to write off the car and it not have cost me anything compared to running on straight diesel.

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He would be able to buy it cheap.
Thats a good idea, I might have a word with my local chip shop
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The rule is typically if it isn't common rail then its fine. Fuel pressure is too high on common rail. Start on a weak mix first, 4:1, then gradually reduce it down to 1:1, add diesel if you are getting any starting issues. You'll need to replace the fuel filter after the first 2,000 miles, and probably again in another 5,000 miles. Make sure your glow plugs work well. You'll lose a bit of top end power but I think it is torquier mid-range. I think I've read somewhere that veg oil has more energy than diesel per litre, but is harder to burn, so when it has time to burn properly in the cylinders (low revs) you get more torque and better fuel economy, but when it is at high revs it struggles to combust fully, meaning you have a bit less torque (hence power) over normal diesel fuel.

You have to assume though, that running on veg will knacker the engine in the long run. I can't remember what figure I worked out but I needed to do x amount of miles on the veg oil mix to write off the car and it not have cost me anything compared to running on straight diesel.



Thats a good idea, I might have a word with my local chip shop

Cheers mate, I will have to see what turns up.
Anyone who runs a chip shop, or chinky etc should be able to get oil cheap, so even after bunging them a couple of quid for their trouble you should save quite a bit over the supermarket.

Now is there any difference between running the car on sunflower oil or veggie (rape seed) oil? They both will work won't they?
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Cheers mate, I will have to see what turns up.
Anyone who runs a chip shop, or chinky etc should be able to get oil cheap, so even after bunging them a couple of quid for their trouble you should save quite a bit over the supermarket.
I get mine at a cash & carry, 56p per litre but it says 79p per litre on the bottles, that is RRP. Cheapest I can actually find anywhere is Netto, 97p a litre.

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Now is there any difference between running the car on sunflower oil or veggie (rape seed) oil? They both will work won't they?
Just shake the bottles and use whatever is thinnest, that would be my advice.. The veg I use is very thin, a lot thinner than the olive oil I use for cooking.
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I'm pretty sure (well bloke down the pub told me!) that if you use vegi oil as a fuel you should pay fuel duty ...

Do I have to pay fuel duty on vegetable oil?

... but doing a quick google the govenment have realised what a complete waste of time it was ...
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I think you can use enough to do about 22,000 miles a year (at 45mpg). At least thats what I read in car mechanics mag.

I can't imagine may people would bother paying the duty anyway.

Especially bacause of all the paperwork that keeping records of what you use would entail.
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Pud and Sy, can't you see? The rules of supply and demand mean you will increase the demand of oil, thus reducing the available supply and increase the cost. The side effect? Chip shops all over Britain close down because they can't afford to fry the tato's.

And it's all because of you. Shame on you both.
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Pud and Sy, can't you see? The rules of supply and demand mean you will increase the demand of oil, thus reducing the available supply and increase the cost. The side effect? Chip shops all over Britain close down because they can't afford to fry the tato's.

And it's all because of you. Shame on you both.


Thats true though if everyone did it prices would rise. I haven't actually done it yet, but at the moment its looking finacially a good option.

You can't blame us though, if the government didn't steal our money with so much fuel duty regular petrol and diesel would be just fine.
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I'm struggling to find cheap veg oil.. Since being laid off getting access to the company's cash and carry card is difficult, they say they'll get it for me, but so far nothing has materialised except excuses, whether or not it will in the future is another matter. Cheapest I can find veg in the shops is 98p, which would represent a £9.60 saving per tank of fuel (60l) if using a 50:50 blend. Not a massive saving really, I'd need to use 25 tanks before I could afford to write off the car and not be out of pocket (in comparison to running Mondy on pump diesel, not driving the V6).

I might try the local chip shops, see if they can order me some 15L containers. Hopefully I'll be able to get the price down another 20p a litre, or more.
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i've got a 1998 VW Polo 1.4 auto with 110,000 on the clock.
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My missus has the 1.4 Manual 1996. Its so unbelievably boring to drive and the body roll is staggering but when it returned 45mpg compared to what would have been 25mpg from the Alfa to and from Silverstone last weekend, I was pretty happy. It sits between 70 and 80mph very well
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