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I'm fed up trying to keep folk safe

An extract from a witness report BTW I'm TS

I was in the process of carrying out a factory tour with two Representatives of E***m a waste recycling company, Leo Nevels Managing Director and Lorraine Irvine Account Manager.

As I approached the Gold line at approximately 11:20 am I noticed Chris H was not wearing and safety glasses and this is in contravention of the site PPE Policy for that working area.
The following conversation took place

TS “Chris where are your safety glasses”

CH “I haven’t got any”

TS “Why ?”

CH “There are none in the dispenser “

TS “There’s plenty in stock in the PPE Locker”

CH “It’s locked”

TS “Ask your supervisor to get a pair for you I can’t allow you to work in this area without safety glasses”

CH “This Job’s urgent”

TS “I still can’t let you carry on working here with out safety glasses”

CH “I’m not having my supervisor on my back because you won’t let me carry on with this job”

TS “I’ll deal with your supervisor you can’t work here with out safety glasses, who’s your supervisor”

CH “Mick G “

TS “OK stop work and go and ask Mick for some safety glasses”

CH “Who the ****** do you think you’re talking to ?”

TS “Sorry ?”

CH “Don’t you f**king talk to me like a piece of ****”

TS “We need to speak to your supervisor”

At this point I asked my visitors who had been a few feet away to wait near the PC at the end of the gold line out of earshot.

TS “I’m the Safety Manager for the site Chris and I’ve asked you to wear safety glasses is Mick in the office ?”

I turned to walk towards the office in the main plating shop and as I turned my back Chris called me a “prick”

I turned and told Chris he was to go to reception and stay there until I spoke to his supervisor.

CH “I’m not f**king hanging round there all day while you go and get Mick”

TS “Chris Please got to reception and wait for Mick to speak to you”

At this point Chris left the department to go to reception I followed him, we got to the entrance to the ATE dept and Chris turned as if to return to the hard gold line, again I asked him to go to reception and wait for his supervisor Chris then carried on to reception.

I bet the worst this toe rag gets is a slapped wrist if he does I'm looking for another JOB
 
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sorry to hear this HM - you have a tough station trying to enforce H&S.

It is the same here, everyone is lax about it until something goes wrong.

No-one should be able to speak to a fellow member of staff like that, you did well to keep your cool mate.
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Bad news HM, definate culture change is required if he feels it's ok.
We now operate a zero tolerance approach, I don't think any of our lads would do this, maybe 5 years ago, but not now.
Again it shouldn't be down to you to enforce, you are an advisor surely?
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Bloody hell, that bloke needs to take a serious look at his attitude, what a jerk!
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I don't understand these idiots who think that stopping for for a couple of minutes is somehow more important than their own safety
 
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dont even start me on *******s like that..
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Water pistol with lemon juice.


(Hands up though, I have in the past
done a "quick job" and relied on just
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I don't understand these idiots who think that stopping for for a couple of minutes is somehow more important than their own safety

Gotta say, with his attitude, would serve him right if he were involved in some kind of "accident"...
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Water pistol with lemon juice.


(Hands up though, I have in the past
done a "quick job" and relied on just
normal glasses. )
I once as an apprentice started a quick job with no protective gloves on. And almost took the tip of my thumb off.
Because I was supposed to be wearing them, I didn't want to get a disciplinery by going to the boss (first aider) so held my thumb wound together with gaffer tape

Still got a scar there to this day
 
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I've started to dock my site workers for not wearing safety gear. One contractor fines me £50 a time so I've started passing it on !!!
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Hi TS

Tony mate - I am apparently our company's H&S guru for all test activities within the company and control of workers...etc that work within my dept.

I am also certified...by IOSH

I constantly have to tell senior management to get lost if they don't have PPE in area's of the business that require it..

It is constantly flouted by them - as they seem to think they operate by different rules...so often no Safety Shoes...even though they have them..

My constant remark - is are you immune to losing your feet or eyes...?

If not why are you putting me in the position that i would have to testify against you in court if something were to happen??

They usually get the point - and scurry off...

It is totally unacceptable to disobey H&E no excuse....so if you feel strongly follow your company's reportinh and grievence policy

It usally gets the point across
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If that happened within the company I work for (a large civil engineering firm), he'd be shown the door and told not to come back. His reaction to be told to wear the appropriate PPE sounds appalling.
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sorry to hear this HM - you have a tough station trying to enforce H&S.

It is the same here, everyone is lax about it until something goes wrong.

No-one should be able to speak to a fellow member of staff like that, you did well to keep your cool mate.
I'd have sacked him on the spot if it were my own business

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Bad news HM, definate culture change is required if he feels it's ok.
We now operate a zero tolerance approach, I don't think any of our lads would do this, maybe 5 years ago, but not now.
Again it shouldn't be down to you to enforce, you are an advisor surely?
It's a lot better than it was 12 month ago when I started here Brickers

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Water pistol with lemon juice.


(Hands up though, I have in the past
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At Home I don't give a schit they can do what they like

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Gotta say, with his attitude, would serve him right if he were involved in some kind of "accident"...
NO Cos then I have to investigate it

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Hi TS

Tony mate - I am apparently our company's H&S guru for all test activities within the company and control of workers...etc that work within my dept.

I am also certified...by IOSH

I constantly have to tell senior management to get lost if they don't have PPE in area's of the business that require it..

It is constantly flouted by them - as they seem to think they operate by different rules...so often no Safety Shoes...even though they have them..

My constant remark - is are you immune to losing your feet or eyes...?

If not why are you putting me in the position that i would have to testify against you in court if something were to happen??

They usually get the point - and scurry off...

It is totally unacceptable to disobey H&E no excuse....so if you feel strongly follow your company's reportinh and grievence policy

It usally gets the point across
Chris that's why I want him sacked every one from the MD Down to the guy who cleans the Crappers know's and obides by the rule this little ***** was just acting the [email protected]

Chris I'm NEBOSH Dip II and it took me 5 yeqars study to get there but little schits like him make me fell like I wanna put me boilersuit back on and kick fook out of him
 
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That sucks Happy Man, who on earth carries on like this. He deserves a written warning for misconduct for

1. Not using appropriate PPE's and

2. For displaying such attitude to colleagues..

Go get him
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I suppose a 'toetecktor' to the nachos is out of the question
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Good luck Happy Man, but always remember, stress is the enemy!
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I suppose a 'toetecktor' to the nachos is out of the question
It's against the H & S rules !!!
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That sucks Happy Man, who on earth carries on like this. He deserves a written warning for misconduct for

1. Not using appropriate PPE's and

2. For displaying such attitude to colleagues..

Go get him
Alfie the case against him is Insubordination and failure to carry out a reasonable request

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I wish it where that simple Frank

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Good luck Happy Man, but always remember, stress is the enemy!
I don't get stressed Chis I just have a in here

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It's against the H & S rules !!!
Nah can't be ar$ed filling out the paper work when he's treated by first aider

This Guy's a repeat offender my hope is he gets a final written warning and I'll catch him again and sack him
 
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By the sounds of things, that shouldn't take to long.

Good luck Happy Man.
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I'm NEBOSH Dip II and it took me 5 years study to get there
Not easy is it Matey :bang head:
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Repeat offender

I am sorry HM I do think in this instance you need to address this in very strong terms....

Sacking is the only option in this instance.

No matter how productive or good this guy is at his job - it is insignificant in what and imposed fine and possibile imprisonment.

Perhaps you should get a copy of the H&S mandate that should be displayed on company noticeboards...and bring it to the attention of the MD -and simply ask, Is this guy worth going to prison over...perhaps that may re-focus managements opinion of the necessity of a good coherent H&S policy


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That's just awful HM, and I bet he'd be the first to sue if he was injured
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It's Not the MD's Chris Its the bloody HR advisory solicitors we use they're sh*t scared to sack any one incase they face an unfair dismissal litigation case

All PPE Requirements are displayed on the job as well and the notice board displays all our poilicies
 
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That's just awful HM, and I bet he'd be the first to sue if he was injured
Yep he's the type ok Gary
 
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Man that is ****ty some people really don't care about themselves or others which is stupid. Cos he wouldn't wait for glasses he could have hurt himself irrepairiably lunatic to be honest.
 
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