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Ruinous costs for running modern cars

My two moderns (Volvo XC90 and Mini Countryman) cost me a bastid fortune to run.

I just had them both MOT'd and the 2016 Mini needed a "major" service at 30,000 miles. The Volvo is a 2010 so that just gets the local Indie treatment. The Mini goes to a Mini specialist as it is still under warranty and I don't want the hassle of arguing on who serviced what if it goes bang.

For the MOT - the Mini needed 3 new tyres and the Volvo 2 rear tyres. I put 2 new fronts on the Volvo in November as they were obviously below limit back then.

The Mini cost for a 30k service and 3 new tyres? 700 quid. Yes - that's right 700 quid. The service was 280 + 100 quid of consumables (plugs, oil, filters etc) + VAT and the tyres were 70 each + VAT and the MOT was 45 + VAT

The Volvo cost 280 inc VAT for 2 Pirellis, 45+VAT for MOT and a painful 325 inc VAT for a new little motor thing (fitted) as a warning code was showing against the swirl motor - so best part of 700 quid there too.

The tax on the Volvo is 400 quid, the Mini is 150 (IIRC) and the insurance on both is 500 quid+

So over the course of a year - just to keep them serviced, MOTd and taxed/insured cost me 3,000 pounds.

Oh and if I want to drive into central London in the XC90 after April (which I do a fair few times with the kids at the weekends) I will have to pay 12.50 every time I do as it's too dirty for the new ULEZ
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That’s not that bad !
The present Mrs B’s August 17 plate A3 petrol POS first service 415, second due know with probably pads at 35k 685 and is about to have 5th & 6th new tyres at 155 a corner for **** none grippy Dunlop - granted it’s a co car so it’s not her but **** me it’s a lot to spend
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The Giulietta Speciale i just traded in for the Stelvio after two years cost me nothing in servicing or tyres thanks to a free service package. The loss in depreciation was pretty painful but it's nice to hand over nothing when you visit the dealers. The dealers even got the third years service with my trade-in. It should be equally painless with the new SUV as it came with three years servicing too. If I keep it to take advantage of the five years warranty I'm sure the bills will be less fun.
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Mines not even that new, and so far this year has cost me 110 in service items (fitting done by me) 254 in lower arms, another 300 for fitting, tracking and new bushes, 40 for MOT all last month, and today, 685 in tyres (and I'm lucky they were as cheap as that)

It had better not cost me anything for the next few months...

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My current BMW 335i cost my dad 1800 for a vanos fault last year. Then there was 280 each for two new run flat tyres..

It has done 33,000 miles.

I try not to think about fuel economy, on my run to work I am getting 23mpg driven steadily.
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My current BMW 335i cost my dad 1800 for a vanos fault last year. Then there was 280 each for two new run flat tyres..

It has done 33,000 miles.

I try not to think about fuel economy, on my run to work I am getting 23mpg driven steadily.
Ouch, I remember those from my time at BMW, the old M3s were particularly known for it.
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As they get older, pretty much every post 2000ish car out there is basically a time bomb just waiting for some small, seemingly insignificant, but incredibly expensive fault to crop up.

DMFs, double clutches, DSGs, VVTs and all of that crap, that we didn't even know that we needed, are just waiting to bankrupt you.

e.g.My Saab 9-3

It has a DMF despite being a petrol apparently. Just the parts for the clutch are 300. If the timing chain stretches or a tensioner breaks (and they do), the parts alone are nearly 300.

A water pump is only 40 but it's buried at the back of the engine and driven by a chain so the labour is as per doing the timing chain plus a load more.

Suspension and servicing are all cheap GM bits so it's not as bad as it might be.
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I've just parted company with 2,500 for the GTA cambelt service and other bits and bobs, about to part with a further 1,500 for the 159 and that's on top of the 500 insurance and 320 road tax I did the week before. Ironically I can drive the GTA into the Ultra Low Emission Zone without Charge
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Ruinous.

What a fabulous word. Im going to use it all week at every opportunity.
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As they get older, pretty much every post 2000ish car out there is basically a time bomb just waiting for some small, seemingly insignificant, but incredibly expensive fault to crop up.

DMFs, double clutches, DSGs, VVTs and all of that crap, that we didn't even know that we needed, are just waiting to bankrupt you.

e.g.My Saab 9-3

It has a DMF despite being a petrol apparently. Just the parts for the clutch are 300. If the timing chain stretches or a tensioner breaks (and they do), the parts alone are nearly 300.

A water pump is only 40 but it's buried at the back of the engine and driven by a chain so the labour is as per doing the timing chain plus a load more.

Suspension and servicing are all cheap GM bits so it's not as bad as it might be.
It's all this modern crud - I agree.

Currently my cheapo-runabout is my DB6 .

Road Tax free, no MOT required, insurance on a limited mileage is 300 quid pa on a specialist policy and servicing is a fixed price 2,750 quid which I only do every 2-3 years given how few miles I do and the fact that it's in temp controlled storage 95% of the time. And I only do that service to keep the maintenance schedule looking good with the specialist stamps.

Starts on the button every time I need it - And it's not depreciating.

Modern cars. Mugs game.
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Ruinous.

What a fabulous word. Im going to use it all week at every opportunity.
I suspect that will be ruinous to your friendships.
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It's all this modern crud - I agree.

Currently my cheapo-runabout is my DB6 .

Road Tax free, no MOT required, insurance on a limited mileage is 300 quid pa on a specialist policy and servicing is a fixed price 2,750 quid which I only do every 2-3 years given how few miles I do and the fact that it's in temp controlled storage 95% of the time. And I only do that service to keep the maintenance schedule looking good with the specialist stamps.

Starts on the button every time I need it - And it's not depreciating.

Modern cars. Mugs game.
This reminds me very strongly of the Sam Vimes Boots theory of Economic Injustice.

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The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness.
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I suspect that will be ruinous to your friendships.
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This reminds me very strongly of the Sam Vimes Boots theory of Economic Injustice.
This would only be true if the same wasn't also the case for a perfectly good 5,000 pound 1972 Ford Escort of course......

It's not the cost/value of the item that is being highlighted, it is the simplicity of ownership
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I might have to help my brother with his morris minor project and start using that as a daily once it is done.
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I dare'nt think how much my brothers as-new timber-frame Minor with modern updates cost him!
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This would only be true if the same wasn't also the case for a perfectly good 5,000 pound 1972 Ford Escort of course......

It's not the cost/value of the item that is being highlighted, it is the simplicity of ownership
Of course. I wasn't meaning to seem I was judging, it's just an amusing story.
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I dare'nt think how much my brothers as-new timber-frame Minor with modern updates cost him!
The woodies are quite valueable. I bet he wouldn't make a loss if he sold it.

My brothers is a 1969 4 door Saloon
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Isn't this the business model now? Consumers want so much kit in their car compared to 25 yeats ago, electric windows, ABS, ASR, EBD, reading road (speed) signs, phone connectivity, (adaptive) cruise control, touch screens, complex ECUs, better fuel efficiency, stop start and half a hundred other things I don't use. All that crap is where manufacturers start to get some of the money back when it goes wrong. Mike 'Top Hat' Brewer was doing a Corrado and the ABS pump was throwing an error, it's an MoT fail so you either scrap your 'classic' or buy another one. How much? About 800. After sales servicing and parts is probably where the money is. Lease the car so you are only responsible for it for the first three years while it is hopefully fairly problem free and recover most of your costs on the lease payments, then flog it on to some poor mug who needs to spend a bomb playing whack-a-mole with all the warning lights popping up.


LED lights, radar, parking sensors, all of these are going to be really expensive to sort I bet.
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Air con was surely an early example of obsolescence through repair cost?
A colleague thought he was saving money and fuel by switching the aircon off in his Megane a few years back ; hardly offset the 1100 quote to fix it.
Now we are into mot fail stuff though ,as you say, such as ABS.
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Isn't this the business model now? Consumers want so much kit in their car compared to 25 yeats ago, electric windows, ABS, ASR, EBD, reading road (speed) signs, phone connectivity, (adaptive) cruise control, touch screens, complex ECUs, better fuel efficiency, stop start and half a hundred other things I don't use. All that crap is where manufacturers start to get some of the money back when it goes wrong. Mike 'Top Hat' Brewer was doing a Corrado and the ABS pump was throwing an error, it's an MoT fail so you either scrap your 'classic' or buy another one. How much? About 800. After sales servicing and parts is probably where the money is. Lease the car so you are only responsible for it for the first three years while it is hopefully fairly problem free and recover most of your costs on the lease payments, then flog it on to some poor mug who needs to spend a bomb playing whack-a-mole with all the warning lights popping up.


LED lights, radar, parking sensors, all of these are going to be really expensive to sort I bet.
Is Top Hat some sort of rhyming slag?
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Isn't this the business model now? Consumers want so much kit in their car compared to 25 yeats ago, electric windows, ABS, ASR, EBD, reading road (speed) signs, phone connectivity, (adaptive) cruise control, touch screens, complex ECUs, better fuel efficiency, stop start and half a hundred other things I don't use. All that crap is where manufacturers start to get some of the money back when it goes wrong. Mike 'Top Hat' Brewer was doing a Corrado and the ABS pump was throwing an error, it's an MoT fail so you either scrap your 'classic' or buy another one. How much? About 800. After sales servicing and parts is probably where the money is. Lease the car so you are only responsible for it for the first three years while it is hopefully fairly problem free and recover most of your costs on the lease payments, then flog it on to some poor mug who needs to spend a bomb playing whack-a-mole with all the warning lights popping up.


LED lights, radar, parking sensors, all of these are going to be really expensive to sort I bet.
And this is why we see so many bodged up cars. MOT man has only 45 minutes to test every testable item on the car.
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Isn't this the business model now? Consumers want so much kit in their car compared to 25 yeats ago, electric windows, ABS, ASR, EBD, reading road (speed) signs, phone connectivity, (adaptive) cruise control, touch screens, complex ECUs, better fuel efficiency, stop start and half a hundred other things I don't use.
Is it the consumer or has it been driven by EU legislation? Certainly better fuel efficiency and Stop/Start have been driven by governmental response to concerns about pollution. ABS etc are a response to the safety lobby rather than a direct response to the customer.

Of course, from the manufacturer's perspective, the more kit they can get away with adding the more profit is to be made and with so many new purchases being paid for, directly or indirectly, by companies rather than individuals the bottom line becomes less important.
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All of the complicated stuff that goes wrong is often to reduce emmisions. DPF's, EGR's, Direct injection etc.

Ironically when it all goes wrong and isn't economical to fix the car gets scrapped. But I suppose all of the pollution produced when a new car is made to replace the old one doesn't count.
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