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Uk Home Office needs to sort itself out

So they can deport this man from the UK because the NHS killed his wife due to gross negligence, but they can't deport this preacher who is probably a terrorist.

What is the UK coming to?
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That's because we've got this stupid rule (law?) that they can't deport someone if they may be tortured in the country we are deporting them too ... the trouble is that means we can't get rid of the biggest a*rsholes because everyone ones to kick the sh*t out of them ...
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Don't get me started...
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Woolly Liberal stupid laws from a stupid arrogant bunch of robbing Despots in Goverment, add a touch of European human rights and what do you get ??
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Fully agree with all comments
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I think it disguisting as well. It's not that poor guys fault that the hospital killed his wife.

As for the preacher I would love to know where he is then send somone around to sort him out. Norman Kember would be next on the list.
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Its Brussles again isnt it!! I blame them for everything. My tea wasnt ready when I got in from work today and that was their fault too. And last night I had trouble getting to sleep and then I almost overslept, and that was their fault too. Its got to stop!!!
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Its Brussles again isnt it!! I blame them for everything. My tea wasnt ready when I got in from work today and that was their fault too. And last night I had trouble getting to sleep and then I almost overslept, and that was their fault too. Its got to stop!!!
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Yes Brussels!

oh no it's actually a uk court
ruling, as per.

What's the preacher meant to have done?

Disrepect some whiteys?



 
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Yes Brussels!

oh no it's actually a uk court
ruling, as per.

What's the preacher meant to have done?

Disrepect some whiteys?



No its not about disrespecting whiteys (how come you can say that but if someone in Britain says Darkies then they are Racist ? ) any way ,....no its nothing to do with race its about a dangerous criminal who is an illegal immigrant who came to Britain on a forged passport after being convicted of terrorism charges in Jordan, but i suppose he will have a valid excuse Nev they all do

Qatada became one of the UK's most wanted men in December 2001 when he went on the run on the eve of government moves to introduce new anti-terror laws allowing suspects to be detained without charge or trial.

The 45-year-old father-of-five arrived in the UK in September 1993 on a forged United Arab Emirates passport.
 
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But the article doesn't say what he has done.
Apart from being an illegal alien.

So how can we condemn him if they don't
publish what he actually did?

 
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Well trawling through Google, looks like the evil
******* got himself tortured and then tried in absentia
for "terror attacks in Jordan during 1998" no real
info on this. Which is a bit strange, but anyhoo...

Unfortunately, this "mastermind" managed to get himself into
the UK, which can't use evidence extracted through torture.

The only way they can "deal" with him now is if the US shows
an interest, because to be deported to the US, evidence
is no longer required and people in the UK no longer
have any rights if us.gov come after you.
If a warrant is issued in the US for you to be extradited from the UK,
you're as good as on that plane.

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I think it disguisting as well. It's not that poor guys fault that the hospital killed his wife.

As for the preacher I would love to know where he is then send somone around to sort him out. Norman Kember would be next on the list.
I'm with this. Just read about Kember in this mornings paper, what a ******.
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But the article doesn't say what he has done.
Apart from being an illegal alien.

So how can we condemn him if they don't
publish what he actually did?

A brief History from Wiki

Abū-Qatāda al-Filisṭīnī sometimes called Abū-Omar is a Muslim who has been accused of terrorist activities by a number of governments Under the name Omar Mahmoud Othman he is under worldwide embargo by the United Nations Security Council Committee 1267 for his affiliation with al-Qaeda. He is wanted on terrorism charges in Algeria the United States, Belgium, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, and his native Jordan
After the liberation of Kuwait from Iraq (which Abu Qatada opposed) he was expelled from Kuwait to Jordan. From there he travelled to the UK in 1993 on a forged UAE passport, and requested asylum on grounds of religious persecution. He was granted asylum the following year. He has been in British custody since his most recent arrest, in August of 2005, shortly after the London transit bombings. A British court ruled on February 26, 2007 that he may be deported to Jordan. Qatada won the appeal against deportation in April 2008 under the controversial British Human Rights Act 1998 and European Convention on Human Rights despite suspected continued terrorist involvement, but remained in prison. On 8th May 2008 he was granted bail by the Special Immigration Appeals Commission with security provided by former terrorist hostage Norman Kember who Qatada had requested the release of before his rescue by the SAS in 2006.


So Nev we can see that he is a peaceloving individual here to work hard and contribute to society and integrate into the British way of life ?? Send him back to Jordan and then bill them for his keep for the time he scrounged here.
 
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I work for the HO. The HO aren't to blame in the majority of cases. It's above, tribunals etc etc. As you say, it truly sucks but sadly, Britain is a soft as a steaming pile of poo poo when it comes to human rights.

Why spend so much money on crims when the elderly go cold & hungry
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^^^ Completely agree SR.

A sad state of affairs we have come to.
 
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"A brief History from Wiki?"
I wouldn't judge someone on something
I found in Wiki.


There is no specific info on this guy for some reason.


"Terrorist Charges" WTF is that?

Was he planting bombs, or doing what a huge number
of yanks used to do in the seventies by giving money
to the orgs like the IRA?

Anyway he's a raghead so he must be guilty of
something or other. eh?

Due process, **** that, better to just condemn
everyone and sort the mess out later.

The pops at Kember are a good laugh to:
He must be a sand****** lover, eh guys


Edit: If he's guilty of something, then do him for it.
But keeping someone in prison for 6 years without
charging them or giving them a trial?
No one thinks something is up with that?

Let's face it, Al-Queda et al have won the "War On Terror"(TM)(R).
Our society in the west has been mortally damaged by
draconian laws and loss of liberties. Didn't
take them long either

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The pops at Kember are a good laugh to:
He must be a sand****** lover, eh guys
Nope, just an arrogant, ungrateful not very nice man, if you believe what you read in the papers and how else can we judge ? Don't think I'll be buying him a pint anytime soon but I will be buying some Omani friends one or two though.
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Nope, just an arrogant, ungrateful not very nice man, if you believe what you read in the papers and how else can we judge ? Don't think I'll be buying him a pint anytime soon but I will be buying some Omani friends one or two though.
Ah, but I don't have that view of him, maybe precisely
'cause I don't regularly read the UK press?

I think he's an old, misguided bloke, but then he's religious,
so that's kind of a given in my books.

The Fergal Keane interview audio isn't up,
but there is a transcript:

BBC - Radio 4 - Transcript Norman Kember
 
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Ah, but I don't have that view of him, maybe precisely
'cause I don't regularly read the UK press?

I think he's an old, misguided bloke, but then he's religious,
so that's kind of a given in my books.

The Fergal Keane interview audio isn't up,
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BBC - Radio 4 - Transcript Norman Kember
You could be right Nev, we all know that whatever paper we read it will have an editorial slant, the truth can be hard to come by.

Religion has certainly started loads of trouble over the years and without wanting to get on to this theme any deeply religious folk I have ever met, regardless of whatever " brand " they are, seem a little odd to me.

Mind you used to have a very attractive Jehovahs Witness lady who used to come and try to convert the inconvertible ( me )... miss her a little !

Time to log off, order the pizza, open the wine ,and enjoy Saturday night. TTFN.
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Let's face it, Al-Queda et al have won the "War On Terror"(TM)(R).
Our society in the west has been mortally damaged by
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take them long either
No our society has been damaged by allowing anyone and everyone into this country no matter who they are or what they can or cannot contribute to society, but even when its right in front of our noses, some choose to defend them and try to defend their actions, How do these people contribute to this country ? why are they here ? what damage are they doing to race relations and the general moral of the honest hard working tax paying people who live here ? So Nev what should we do then ? ignore them, hope they will get a job and live in peace ? even though he is here ILLEGALY on a false passport ? oh yes we are all racists and bigots arent we
 
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No our society has been damaged by allowing anyone and everyone into this country no matter who they are or what they can or cannot contribute to society
The US has stringent border controls and they also
have lost many of their civil liberties, so your counter
argument is completely bogus and it just another chance
for you to air you views on "them". (Outsiders, foreign types,
darkies, whatever.)
 
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The US has stringent border controls and they also
have lost many of their civil liberties, so your counter
argument is completely bogus and it just another chance
for you to air you views on "them". (Outsiders, foreign types,
darkies, whatever.)
Whatever you say Nev, and just in case you missed it its not about People who are here LEGALLY and contribute to society and live in peace and harmony, who gives a toss what colour someone is ? I think your confusing Racism with terrorism hatred and religion. And that has nothing to do with skin colour.
 
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Whatever you say Nev, and just in case you missed it its not about People who are here LEGALLY and contribute to society and live in peace and harmony, who gives a toss what colour someone is ? I think your confusing Racism with terrorism hatred and religion. And that has nothing to do with skin colour.
But it's only the stories about the darker ones that
make it into the newspapers and onto these threads.
Funny eh?

Still gives a few bogeymen for the like of Jacqui Useless-*****
Smith to wave around before she takes another freedom away.
 
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Let's face it, Al-Queda et al have won the "War On Terror"(TM)(R).
Our society in the west has been mortally damaged by
draconian laws and loss of liberties. Didn't
take them long either
Absolutely right. And who is ultimately responsible for the Farce on Terror?

The US and Britain
 
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