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'Road Rage' Opinions Please

I often seem to fly in the face of public opinion, and the matter of 'road rage' is is no different. I believe that in many cases the anger and subsequent behaviour is fully justified, but I'll qualify that by saying that a simple hands-up apology would diffuse most situations before then develop in to one.

Anyway, here's what happened today:

Driving out of town on an A road that had been recently re-surfaced. It had numerous signs stating 20mph max and no road markings. In fairness there weren't many loose chippings and so I only slowed to 40mph. The car that had been way behind me caught up and then sat on my bumper, clearly impatient. I kept a steady speed and he then decided it was time to overtake. Obviously most of the loose chippings had collected in the middle of the road and several were thrown up on me as he went past and pulled in.... Then there was a loud bang and a lump of tarmac thrown up by his car broke my windscreen.

I flashed my lights at him and put my hands up in incredulity at his stupidity. He responded by giving me the finger, and that's when the red mist came down. We all make mistakes, if he'd put his hand up or some other symbol of apology I might have left it, but he didn't. I let him go until we were back on old tarmac before coming up behind him with my lights on and gesticulating that I wanted him to pull over. He gave me the finger again..... I overtook him, put my hazards on and started slowing with the intention of stopping him, I was very angry by now and would have punched him without hesitation. He tried to overtake on both sides but I blocked him. I stopped (no other traffic was involved), got out of the car and told him I wanted to talk and that he'd damaged my car. He went in to reverse, backed-up quickly, turned around and shot off bloody quickly. By the time I was back in my car there was traffic coming from both directions and it was pointless trying to go after him.

I make no apology for my behaviour and at no time was I so angry that it clouded my ability to drive safely. I'm just interested to know other's opinions about 'road rage' and the incident above. As it stands I'm now going to have to fork out the excess.

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I completely understand your anger but personally I would have let the idiot go.

You donít know who you are dealing with or what they might do. Itís just not worth the risk.

What would you have done if he had stopped?
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Exactly the same thing happened to me, only 30 years ago. I chased the **** from Shrewsbury all the way to Telford and put the fear of god into him. B796JAW, shoddy diseasel frod Orion. He cracked the windscreen on my car too. Hanging is too good for Ďem.

I admit I have zero patience when driving, Iím trying to get from a to b, not faff with my multi-media or chat with my passenger, if you want to do that fine. Just get out of my way. But I wonít tailgate you on a freshly gravelled road.
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i remember a time when i was quite happily going along a dc and a shiity white escort van waited till i was level with it before deciding it was a good time to over take the lorry in front of it. cut me up a treat and nearly caused a crash. i went past it giving him some abuse and disappeared into the distance, only to be caught up in traffic at the next roundabout. said van tailed me and probably had two members of a community you don't really wanna annoy. gave them the slip by going round a roundabout twice and flooring it to my makes.
now i let people go off and have their own accidents. saying that if some [email protected] had broke my screen like they did, i'd do the same as you did.
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I completely understand your anger but personally I would have let the idiot go.

You donít know who you are dealing with or what they might do. Itís just not worth the risk.

What would you have done if he had stopped?
It would have depended at what stage he stopped and his initial attitude. If he'd appeared calm and prepared to talk then my reaction would have been positive. My anger was caused not by his stupidity, but by his subsequent rudeness.
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you came across an idiot, my initial reaction would be depending how big he was drag him out of his car and give him a kicking, but it's probably not the best decision. At the end of the day a stonechip could have happened from a back of a lorry tyre or something just pay the excess and enjoy the summer,
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I can see why you would have liked to have given the little scrote a kicking.

But is it really worth a conviction for assault, and all the hassle that could bring, just for the sake of some jumped up idiot?

Not really.

There is also the risk that you would end up getting the kicking, and if the other party said it was in self defence he would likely get away with it as well.
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I'll be blunt. If someone forced me to a stop on the road, and I wasn't able to get round them, I'd be coming out of the car ready to defend myself. Depending on what I was driving, I might be carrying a 3/4" snap on breaker bar. Or worse, I might be driving the Land-Rover, in which case I'd go through your car and not stop until I got to the nearest police station. Now I'm a reasonable bloke, but you have to bear in mind that some people would go onto the the attack from the get go.

Attempting to stop another car in the public road, in traffic? You're nuts. Once you've forced another driver to stop, how do you think the discussion is going to go?
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If i'm honest I don't think either of you have covered yourselves in glory here. I occasionally raise my hands in despair, shake my head etc. If they respond with hand signals I let it go, life is too short. Like RXE if you attempted to force me to stop I'd be having none of it either. He probably doesn't know that he broke your windscreen so probably thought he was about to get his head kicked in over an incident where he thought no real harm was done.

We all lose our temper from time to time and being in that metal box can make us feel invincible. However, what happens if you force him to stop and he produces a knife, or a 3/4" breaker bar, or tyre lever? Is it worth dying over?

If the police had seen you, you might be on a threatening behaviour charge, or dangerous driving. If you cause an accident it's your word against his.
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I understand your frustration but what did you achieve?

As Grim says, dashcam? Report the matter to the police. It could be considered a minor traffic offence if they feel arsed to do something about it.

If you get out of your car to someone in that situation youíve consented to what happens next. Like being offered outside for a fight, once you agree, and get the **** knocked out of you and then report an assault, guess what?

If youíre still not satisfied get his details from DVLA and.......
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I'll be blunt. If someone forced me to a stop on the road, and I wasn't able to get round them, I'd be coming out of the car ready to defend myself. Depending on what I was driving, I might be carrying a 3/4" snap on breaker bar. Or worse, I might be driving the Land-Rover, in which case I'd go through your car and not stop until I got to the nearest police station. Now I'm a reasonable bloke, but you have to bear in mind that some people would go onto the the attack from the get go.

Attempting to stop another car in the public road, in traffic? You're nuts. Once you've forced another driver to stop, how do you think the discussion is going to go?
I'm with you all the way on the above, I might do the same, but I'd hope your initial behaviour would be rather different. I'm sure you wouldn't have overtaken in a daft place and, far more importantly, then given me the finger twice. It wasn't the manoeuvre that angered me, it was what he did afterwards that made me lose my cool. He knew he'd damaged my car because his window was down when I jumped out and shouted at him, I'm sure he heard me. If he'd then decided to go on the offensive with that knowledge then it might have been ugly, but if he was a reasonable bloke then I hope he'd have apologised. The situation would then have been diffused largely.
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Look at it from his POV.

He overtook you, and then you started getting on the horn and flashing your lights. He doesn't know about the rock, he just thinks you're a **** complaining that he overtook you. His opinions are confirmed when you overtake him back and start to box him in. He is now wondering if he's had the misfortune of overtaking Kenneth Noye. Honestly, if you did this, and got out of your car holding anything that looked remotely like a weapon, I'd go through you on my way to the police.
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Its all to easy to let the red mist come down...but I always try to remember that most of the time, it's not personal.

It ''feels'' personal which is why we respond the way we do, and then you become invested in ensuring the other party see's it from your perspective.

which of course they won't or indeed didn't...it's rare in my experience that someone does something dangerous on purpose, it's normally a lapse of judgment or concentration, or they simply didn't see you...on occasion it's ego but even then nobody wants an accident to be the outcome of a potentially risky piece of driving.


Life is too short form me to get into something on the side of the road and put myself in a position where I am forced to defend myself...and RXE is spot on with his assertion that if you stop someone in the road they are already at defcon 1, it's unlikely to end well for either of you.

in future let it go, it's just not worth it.
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One thing that is worth bearing in mind, and can occasionally be a fun and useful game to play. If you let someone else influence your driving, then you are the loser - your behaviour is being controlled by another person. Clearly if you are controlling someone else's behaviour, then you are winning.

In this case, the other guy made you risk a dangerous driving conviction simply by raising a finger. Wow.

How is it useful? Say you want to go quite fast on the motorway, you never want to be the fastest, but everyone else is bimbling along at just over the speed limit. Look out for an aggressive tail gater. Be every so slightly slow in getting out of their way. They roar past. Now the game is on - you're controlling them because they absolutely won't let you past, they'll accelerate the moment you get close. Drop in 150 yards behind, following the guy whose speed you're determining. So you now have someone doing the speed you want to be doing, and they're looking out for the plod for you. You just concentrate on maintaining a safe distance.
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I find that driving exactly at the speed limit, and taking your time when turning off from the road etc is a good way of dealing with tailgaiters.

If you look closely in your mirror you can almost see them chewing the steering wheel.
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I believe that in many cases the anger and subsequent behaviour is fully justified.
Understandable, yes. Justified, no.
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With tailgaters I tend to do a bit less than the speed limit. If you were doing 50 in a 30 they'd still be tailgating so **** 'em, they can wait.
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Look at it from his POV.

He overtook you, and then you started getting on the horn and flashing your lights. He doesn't know about the rock, he just thinks you're a **** complaining that he overtook you. His opinions are confirmed when you overtake him back and start to box him in. He is now wondering if he's had the misfortune of overtaking Kenneth Noye. Honestly, if you did this, and got out of your car holding anything that looked remotely like a weapon, I'd go through you on my way to the police.
Interesting choice of words, particularly the last sentence. You're painting a scenario that bears little resemblance to what actually happened; at no time did I 'get on the horn' and I certainly didn't get out of the car holding a weapon (where did that come from?). He also knew that he'd caused damage to my car. Based on that you'll forgive me if I'm not too concerned about his POV.
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But you did overtake him and try to force him to stop on a public road. If it was me, I'd cease to give a **** whether I'd damaged your car or not at that point. I would work on the basis that you were a nutter and get the hell out of there. I would also be on the phone to the police.
I reckon 99.9% of people would do the same. You can't honestly expect to force one of your fellow motorists to stop then have a rational conversation surely?
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