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Damage caused by my Mechanic

Goto this thread Damage caused by my Mechanic and see what the guy who was supposed to be fixing my car has done!?

I gave him my 156 on Monday morning for a full service (Cam belt/Aux Belt/Filters etc)

I wanted the car back for Wednesday and he said he would have it done in a day. Well, Wednesday came and went, as did nearly all of Thursday before I got my car back at 20:30 Thursday night.

All through the process I was ringing him, as was my dad. He was saying through it all how tough the job was, that all the bolts and screws had seized. He eventually got around to fitting all the bits to my car and getting in back to me, charging me £824.70 for all the work, £480 being labour (not inc. VAT)

Anyway, when I got the car home on Thursday night I saw that my side skit on the o/s was hanging off, then my n/s side skirt too (can be seen in all photos.) We put it down the fact that the belly pan was not on to hold the skirts in place as the mechanic had to remove the screws for the belly pan by drilling them out. He is supposed to replacing this at a later date...

Now, having washed my 'bella' today, I have seen that my wing has a 'fold' in it (bottom 3 photos) and this was not there when the car went in. This only leads me to believe that the mechanic has either dropped or crashed car into something while having the car in his possession, damaging the side skirts and the wing.

Right, now my rant is over, I need some help.

Where do I stand in all of this? Can I go back to him and say ‘they were not like that before, I want you to fix it, or, have it fixed and have him pay for it or do I need to file a small claims within the court system?

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Re: Damage caused by my Mechanic

It looks to me as if he has jacked up the car in the wrong place.

My fiat has a crease in the floorpan under the passenger footwell where some numpty has done the same.


I would be expecting it to be fixed at his cost. The car wasn't danaged when it went.
He should have insurance to cover things like this.
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The car did have some damage when it went in, but, this was to the bonnet, front of the o/s wing and o/s headlight. They were my fault and I am going to get them fixed.

But, when I gave him the car the side skirts were fine and the wings were fine. I wash over them every week and would have noticed something like that, I also have photos of the car prior to going in and neither show the side skirts hanging off like they do now...
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Who did it?
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Mechanic who runs C.A.R.S. in Bedwas, Caerphilly
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Hi Tony.

Got a very good Solicitor in Bridgend who deals with my business transactions. I'll PM you the number tomorrow when I get in the office.

I've also got a mate who runs a garage opposite where I work, could give you a second (honest) opinion.
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Looks like it was jacked up in the wrong spot, or put on the hoist incorrectly. I know with my Alfa you have to be especially careful.
Have you chatted with the mechanic yet? My 94 was damaged in the same place as Symonhs, unfortunately I didn't have pics before.
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Do you want him 'taken out' Boss ?
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Got a very good Solicitor in Bridgend who deals with my business transactions. I'll PM you the number tomorrow when I get in the office.

I've also got a mate who runs a garage opposite where I work, could give you a second (honest) opinion.
Cheers Howell, I would like to have someone look at the car and let me know what the hell has gone on. I do get the feeling that even though he has had the car for 4 days he has not done all the work needed to keep this car going. Does the turbo have its own air filter? As I took part of my bumper off and have seen a type of air filter, but it’s not the round one its square... did that need to be changed?

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Looks like it was jacked up in the wrong spot, or put on the hoist incorrectly. I know with my Alfa you have to be especially careful.
Have you chatted with the mechanic yet? My 94 was damaged in the same place as Symonhs, unfortunately I didn't have pics before.
I have not chatted to him yet. I am going to ring him tomorrow because I need to know if he is going to re-fit my belly pan, although, I am tempted to just go collect my belly pan in the van and get it fitted somewhere else

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Do you want him 'taken out' Boss ?
Not yet Howell, I'll let you know with the code...
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If it was lifted on a trolley jack, rather than a on a proper hoist,(Bradbury type four-poster, side lifter,) the only non- damaging way is to have the proper adapter beam, which adjusts for width, and has padded screw platforms with height adjustment.

Use one regularly in combination with my trusty Bradbury trolley jack, and was thirty eight pounds well spent, imo. Makes this 'old gits' DIY servicing attempts relatively easy, she won't assist me though! nasty woman.

Bad show that damage to your car matey! Hope you manage to get it sorted successfully.:
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Cheers ZF, I hope I get it sorted too. I have only had the 156 since November, but, it now has more damage on it then the car that I got rid of before this one

I just want it fixed! I will fix what I have done, but, I didn't do anything to the side skirts or that part of the wing, so its annoying
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Very sad story that is! If it were my car, follow on from this would be to check out, as Symon mentioned, the floor pan/footwell condition? Need it lifted properly on a hoist to examine it comfortably.:
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If you could get to Bridgend in the week I could get Avia Auto's to have a look. They do the m.o.t work for Waterfall and thier opposite me.

I'll keep them off the list for now.
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I will be taking it to another garage soon to have it fully examined, either be the one Howell suggests or Waterfalls in Bridgend. Its not going back to CARS ever again.

The car's handling hasn't be comprimised and I can't see anymore damage then the side skirts and the crease in the wing
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If you could get to Bridgend in the week I could get Avia Auto's to have a look. They do the m.o.t work for Waterfall and thier opposite me.
I don't know, I am 9am-6pm this week, I doubt I'll be able to have it looked at unless I drop it off then collect it the next day and get the train for a day...

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I'll keep them off the list for now.
Thank you Howell, keep them in your sights though.
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If you could get it to Avia it wouldn't cost you anything cos they owe me a few 'favours' !
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If you could get it to Avia it wouldn't cost you anything cos they owe me a few 'favours' !
If you could help me Howell that'd be amazing. I will try to get there if I can, try to book an afternoon off or something
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Looking at the pictures closely, it looks quite possible he put a trolley jack directly under the oversills and the damage was caused by the crushing effect. Although I suppose if he did a cambelt job, he may of supported it at those points with axle stands?!
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Sorry to be a suspicious Sidney, but that leaves me very questioning about the rest of the work on the bill?:
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I don't know, he has a whole car lifting platform that supports the car when its resting on the tyres, so I don't know why he would have jacked the car up.

I spoke to my father, because, when my dad when down the mechanic pointed out the damage to my dad, but, didn't admit liability and it seems tried to say I must have caught them on something. There also seems to be some damage caused to one of my wheels too which wasn't there when it went in too.

The only issue my father can see all about this is, that if the mechanic says he didn't do it and I go to a small claims court its my word against his, so, who would win out?
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Sorry to be a suspicious Sidney, but that leaves me very questioning about the rest of the work on the bill?:
That is exactly how I feel!

That’s why I want the car to be looked at by another, more competent mechanic
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Looking at the pictures closely, it looks quite possible he put a trolley jack directly under the oversills and the damage was caused by the crushing effect. Although I suppose if he did a cambelt job, he may of supported it at those points with axle stands?!
If you look under the car, I know in the case of my 2.4 JTD and my 156 V6, is that the side skirts overlap the jacking points slightly. So when you put it on a lift, the lift does press slightly on the underside of the side skirt, which can cause it to come away at the top.

And, the skirts aren't the exact right proportion to fit the side of the car, and they are held on only on the underside, the top side is adhered to the car with double sided tape (from the factory). With a few years of road grime, it gives up, and you end up having to remove the skirts, clean the sills underneath and re-attach them with Sikaflex or something.. Where the middle section of your skirt is pulling away from the car, that is due to the manufacturing of the skirt.. They need to be held on to the car while the adhesive sets.

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I don't know, he has a whole car lifting platform that supports the car when its resting on the tyres, so I don't know why he would have jacked the car up.
When you're doing the cambelt you have to take off the driver's side front wheel, remove the wheel arch liner and get at the cambelt pulleys through there. So he wouldn't have been able to use a full four-poster like exhaust places, he would have had to put it on a lift that lifts the car on arms, one under each jacking point.

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That’s why I want the car to be looked at by another, more competent mechanic
I'd definitely get it looked at. If I can't watch the mechanic while he is doing the work the garage doesn't get the job, my local independent in Newton Aycliffe have no problems with me watching Justin do jobs on my car, and neither did Ned at AutoLusso when he fitted my Q2 diff.

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I haven’t checked the oil to be honest I have been too livid about the time he took and the seemingly sh*t job he has done. He left my bonnet and my o/s front wheel covered in oily finger prints.

I had a look under the car a few minutes ago because I have noticed something on the photos, there seems the be a crease on the n/s wing too just where it’s by the skirt.

He seems to have used some kind of stand that has put pressure on the side skirts as the n/s skirt has gouge marks on it as does the black proofing that’s under the car. But, on the o/s skirt the underside attach points are damaged, the skirt is cracked and it’s been forced away from the car
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Just re-read my post - I aren't meaning to defend the mechanic, he has clearly not put your car on the lift right, and caused some unexplainable damage, and I wouldn't be taking the car back there..

..But depending on the size of the plug (the bit that holds the weight) on the end of the arms on the lift, it can be near impossible not to put pressure on the underside of the skirt, the alternative would be to take it somewhere else with a different lift, or remove the skirts altogether prior to doing the job, which would be a real ball ache to do every time you wanted to lift the thing.

But like I say, every time my car is on the lifts at BMC, the arms of the lift do put pressure on the underside of the skirts, which causes a force that makes the top bit try and pull away from the car. But as mine have been off before, they have been re-stuck down with Sikaflex, so when it comes off the lift it just goes back to where it was. But as yours are still on the factory tape, once they come away (which they would have done over time anyway) you need to take them off, clean them up and re-attach them with Sikaflex..

This might be of some use to you:

https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-...rts-guide.html
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I know you were not defending the mechanic Pud, I doubt anyone would after the damage he has done to something so beautiful.

I understand maybe the skirts would come away, but, how the hell did he cause the crease in the wing!?

The car has had both the front tyres changed when I went to Kwik-Fit and they managed to lift the car and hold it there without damaging the skirts, I can't see why he couldn't do the same thing...
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