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Every year we have to produce our driving licences at work. They are photocopied. You also have to declare if you have been stopped or whatever or got new points at the time you get them. I have no problem at all with this

This year the *******s have got really sneaky and its making my blood boil.

We get a memo in our pigeon holes "As you are aware, all employees who drive a company vehicle are required by ******(the company) to have their driving licenses checked for endorsements/ motoring offences. Please fill in the enclosed form and return it by 28th March"

They have contracted out these checks to a company called Background Checking (part of Experian the credit scoring company)

Part two of the form has small print (ha ha!!) which says "I authorise Background Checking Ltd, or any agent thereof, to make enquiries of the school, college or university or other educational establicshment where a qualification was gained AND I AUTHORISE ENQUIRIES TO BE MADE OF MY FINANCIAL AND CREDIT HISTORY WHERE APPLICABLE. I AUTHORISE THE VERIFICATION OF MY PASSPORT AND NATIONAL INSURANCE DOCUMENTS. (My Capitals)

All under the guise of wanting to see your driving licence....By hell I'm angry angry angry. Would you let your employer have access all your private financial details?

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NO ! Far too much of this kind of thing going on, makes my blood boil. Wonder how many people would just sign this without realizing what they're doing ?
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I would visit a solicitor and have a letter drawn up to send to your employers - that they may have unwittingly used a company to gather this information, however the information requested and implication of the 'small print' they are breaking employment law....

As well as several european laws surrounding privacy laws...


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Uhhh No ****ing way!


It can be a pain living in France, but
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this kind of bull**** here.

God what is the world coming to.
 
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Its common practice today in order to secure a job you need to submit to a background CV type check including educational background. I have been through a ten year check. In my current role I was asked to go through the same thing however as I had the offer of employment and the contract was jointly signed, I decided to ignore HR's mundane request for the completion of the vetting form until they eventually elapsed! The reason i ignored it was two fold firstly i didn't want my background delved into, unnecessarily anyway. The other is on principle I disagree with this big brother approach if an employer feels you have the attributes for the job then why not give that person a chance. The only area I believe checks should be mandatory are jobs where you are working with the young old or disabled and obviosly any governmental role where security could be breached i.e Police Force. The reason my company insist on the vetting is because we are IT security specialists however as i am in sales I feel its less appropriate for myself. They do like a copy of your drivers licence and insist on business insurance which cost me more money up to that point I was getting away with insurance based on use for commuting to work place. It annoys me as most of my journeys are into London where I let the train take the strain.

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Total out of order IMHO!
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Stuff that AL!: Those Experian and the like, want to know when you last changed your underpants, and what happens with all that info you give them? I started to get a credit check, until I saw the questions they needed answered, and then promply zoomed off sharpish like.:
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Uhhh No ****ing way!


It can be a pain living in France, but
employers have no right to perform
this kind of bull**** here.

God what is the world coming to.

Neither do they here Nev - after all we are governed by the same laws in this area.

And clearly the fact that they are not even allowing you to tick a box waiving your rights - they have no right to do this.


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Stuff that AL!: Those Experian and the like, want to know when you last changed your underpants, and what happens with all that info you give them? I started to get a credit check, until I saw the questions they needed answered, and then promply zoomed off sharpish like.:
ZF's spot on sign nothing! let them have a copy of your insurance / licence but don't sign anything they can't sack you!
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Stuff that AL!: Those Experian and the like, want to know when you last changed your underpants, and what happens with all that info you give them? I started to get a credit check, until I saw the questions they needed answered, and then promply zoomed off sharpish like.:
I think that a lot of these " Get a free.... " are there just to collect personal info and no doubt to sell it on, as a result I'm like ZF, have a quick look and then bog off.

Got a 'phone call recently asking me to take a " quick " survey about home improvements. Fairy snuff but it quickly went into " Who did/will you vote for " and " Do you support the war in Iraq " and so on. Needless to say a flea in the ear went down the line.

Managed to avoid a Civil Service Ethnic Awareness Course, partly 'cos at my age in life I don't need a snotty youth telling me how to behave and the bias of the choice of answers presented, " Which leg would you like cut off " sort of thing.

Are we all about to roll over and give up ?
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Managed to avoid a Civil Service Ethnic Awareness Course, partly 'cos at my age in life I don't need a snotty youth telling me how to behave and the bias of the choice of answers presented, " Which leg would you like cut off " sort of thing.

Are we all about to roll over and give up ?
I had to do one of those ethnic awareness courses......

Funny thing was there was not much on how to deal with whitey's

You all like fish and chips, and playing criket don't you...


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I had to do one of those ethnic awareness courses......

Funny thing was there was not much on how to deal with whitey's

You all like fish and chips, and playing criket don't you...


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Cricket !! no chance
Sooner watch paint dry and I hate fish, who likes to eat something that lives in its own bodily waste ?
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... not much on how to deal with whitey's...

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You all like fish and chips,
There you go Chris, a perfectly innocent comment using the word chip.
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It seems excessive and I wouldn't be happy.

But can't companies like Experian already gain access to our credit records? What it has to do with our employers is another matter.

Why can't they just have HR collate a fax/photocopy/scanned version of everyone's licence and ensure no unaccepatable endorsements?
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Good on you to have read the small print 'Lincs

I'd say a protest of some form is in order.
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As a teacher i have to have everything checked including school reports , uni reports, marriage documents, divorce documents, my kids names etc etc etc including a full police check and this has to be updated every time i change school. This is to protect children in my care (too right) but in any other job apart from perhaps working for the security services id tell em to get stretched and id suggest that the small print is a method of catching you out ...very very naughty
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Sign it but draw a line through everything you disagree with.

If this means your employer gets a sheet of paper full of deleted words then maybe they will get the point.

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If you look through the small print you will probably find a clause allowing your information being sent to a 'third party country for processing purposes' i.e. Indian data processing centre and then USA for storage i.e. outside of the EU and outside of the control of EU law.
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I was furious when I first read this and then I stopped for a bit...

What is wrong with your employer checking out your qualifications? Surely you agree to this when you first applied for the job anyway?

I seem to remember my background being so thoroughly checked that my start date was delayed for a month whilst they contacted some old scrote I worked for in the summer holidays to see whether I was actually there or not. They explained to me at the time that any employment/educational time-line had to be seamless - i could have been locked up in prison for all they knew..

The worst that can can be said about what your employer has done is that they have been cumbersome and failed in their duty to properly inform you of their intentions.

Serves them right if there's an outcry!
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I was furious when I first read this and then I stopped for a bit...

What is wrong with your employer checking out your qualifications? Surely you agree to this when you first applied for the job anyway?

I seem to remember my background being so thoroughly checked that my start date was delayed for a month whilst they contacted some old scrote I worked for in the summer holidays to see whether I was actually there or not. They explained to me at the time that any employment/educational time-line had to be seamless - i could have been locked up in prison for all they knew..

The worst that can can be said about what your employer has done is that they have been cumbersome and failed in their duty to properly inform you of their intentions.

Serves them right if there's an outcry!

AND I AUTHORISE ENQUIRIES TO BE MADE OF MY FINANCIAL AND CREDIT HISTORY WHERE APPLICABLE. I AUTHORISE THE VERIFICATION OF MY PASSPORT AND NATIONAL INSURANCE DOCUMENTS

I think its this bit that has the OP peeved....what is your financial circumstances got to do with them....?

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I think that part of it (credit/financial) is input from Background Checking Ltd,and not the employer ie if they don't need to check fiancial issues which in this case they obviously don't then they wont.
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I had to do one of those ethnic awareness courses......

Funny thing was there was not much on how to deal with whitey's

You all like fish and chips, and playing criket don't you...


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No need to shout, Chris. I'm not that far away........

If you read what it says "Where necessary...." then you can begin to understand that perhaps Experian have been given a much wider brief.

Checking up on a job candidate's financial background is very relevant for some positions, especially in Financial Services. There is a moral risk in employing someone with severe debt or checkered financial history.

I came from a financial services industry background and I can assure you it's very important.

But as I said the main probl;em in this particular case is not what has been done but the manner in which it was done.

What's the old saying (and you'll like this)...

"The difference between rape and rapture is presentation"
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