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My son, a BURGLAR?!!

My shy,retiring, 15 year old son and his friend went out for a walk a few nights ago and I get a call at 8.00 from the Bill saying he's been arrested on suspicion of burglary and suspicion of the theft of 3 pedal cycles.

Seems they walked into a manhunt ( three lads had tried to break into a house and legged it in the general area my son in was at the time) and were made to lay on the ground by a dog handler, bundled into police vans and banged up in a cell.

My son was distraught beyond belief. He's now on police bail waiting the results of the DNA from the cycles ( which he has never seen).
Thing is, the first he knew was a shout in the dark, 'DOWN ON THE GROUND..NOW' a terrifying experience.

They took his shoes his mobile, and mine, (which he had because it had more credit than his) and after being arrested at 8.00PM on Saturday he was eventually released after interviews,mugshots etc at 2.00PM on Sunday. Oh, and they searched his bedroom.
Talk about heavy handed policing!! I'll never help the b*******s again.
Still it could have been worse.

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Re: My son, a BURGLAR?!!

That's disgraceful Richy... I hope it all turns out ok.


(I edited the last sentence as I didnt want to spark a row and detract from the original post)
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Disgraceful! Worst yet as your son and his friends were being manhandled the guilty were off laughing!
I hope the police are going to come round and offer a profound apology?
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His DNA will now on file for ever.
 
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Richy I understand you're upset by what's happened to your lad but I've been burgled and it is as upsetting as having your son nicked

The police are doing their job and even though it was a case of wrong time and place for your lad these things happen.

The scrote that burgled my house was caught using DNA found on a screw driver and they raided his house and managed to find stuff that implicated him to 4 other burglaries. He went down for 2 years.

My Mrs Bought me a 1930's watch for our first anniversary that was never recovered she saved for over a year to buy that.

So while I understand your upset try to see the good the law does when it catches a genuine scrote.
 
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His DNA will now on file for ever.
Does this mean that he will now be "Known to the police" in the future despite having done nothing?
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Similar thing happened to me this summer.

Sadly nothing you can do about it once
you're in the system, no matter what country
you live in.

Cops want the easiest route to clear-up.

If you are walking in the wrong place, at the
wrong time, they will make stuff up to ensure
you "fit the description".


No words of encouragement for your lad,
but he will always know he did no wrong, and
so do you.
 
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Richy I understand you're upset by what's happened to your lad but I've been burgled and it is as upsetting as having your son nicked

The police are doing their job and even though it was a case of wrong time and place for your lad these things happen.

The scrote that burgled my house was caught using DNA found on a screw driver and they raided his house and managed to find stuff that implicated him to 4 other burglaries. He went down for 2 years.

My Mrs Bought me a 1930's watch for our first anniversary that was never recovered she saved for over a year to buy that.

So while I understand your upset try to see the good the law does when it catches a genuine scrote.

Yes, I can see that point but my issue is more with the way it was done, too heavy handed and presuming guilt a bit too quickly. I thought there ought to have been an invite to the station and a few questions asked etc, not a German Shepherd dog at your throat while you're on the ground.
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The thing is though these days most pri*ks that do this type of thing are tooled up so the Police have to take these precautions...
It doesn't matter that his DNA is on file, we'll all be on there sooner or later...
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Does this mean that he will now be "Known to the police" in the future despite having done nothing?
Yep..

After the treatment I got when pulled over for having my fog lights on I'll not be helping a copper very quickly either. It just amazes me how in the space of fifteen years the police have managed to alienate a large amount of generally law-abiding people due to heavy handedness and that attitude problem that they all seem to have. My dad thinks the same after he got arrested for assault and banged up from 6am till 2pm with not even a cup of water (charges were never brought) and my grandad, after he retired early from the police cause, in his words, "its just one big waste of time"..

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The thing is though these days most pri*ks that do this type of thing are tooled up so the Police have to take these precautions...
It doesn't matter that his DNA is on file, we'll all be on there sooner or later...
Correct on both points sadly. The Police have to be so careful with what they deal with these days. Its very sad though that they can't tell a nice lad from a lowlife after 16 hours in custody. The DNA thing is just a fact of life these days,like emgee says they will get us all on the database eventually. My son is on it because a bus shelter window got broke when he was larking about with his mates.
It's very easy to get bitter when you've been wronged like this but it's also important to make sure the lads understand why the Police operate in the way they do.
 
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Does this mean that he will now be "Known to the police" in the future despite having done nothing?
Nope (assuming he isn't convicted).

Unless his DNA turns up somewhere else.
 
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Nope (assuming he isn't convicted).

Unless his DNA turns up somewhere else.
Won't the police keep his details on file, for a while at least?
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This isn't Brinks-Mat. Unless he's done for it or cautioned for it (and from what we hear the DNA test will be negative), I would think that will be the end of it. unless, as I say, his DNA profile fits something else some time.
 
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He will now have a DNA print which will stay on records for life...

I don't really see the problem in this as if you don't have anything to hide, then whats the problem with proving that you're innocent from the very start. Which is what the DNA print would do...
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He will now have a DNA print which will stay on records for life...

I don't really see the problem in this as if you don't have anything to hide, then whats the problem with proving that you're innocent from the very start. Which is what the DNA print would do...
Unless a bent cop decides to plant your DNA on something or other. You can't say its never happened before..
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As discussed recently on the WOT forum, the presence of yuor DNA somewhere can draw you into an investigation you wouldn't otherwise have been involved in. For example, a fag-end or cup in a bin where something happened might have your saliva on it and prove you had been there at some time. It's a long shot such a thing would get you wrongly convicted though, as additional evidence would be needed.

A bent copper could use pretty much any means to frame you, it's not specific to DNA, and something else wuld be needed anyway. As I say, this ain't Brinks Mat or the Great Train Robbery.
 
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Unless a bent cop decides to plant your DNA on something or other. You can't say its never happened before..
I've never heard of a copper planting DNA at a crime scene... You've been watching too many US TV programmes...
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...planting DNA at a crime scene...
I'm sure some of them find a good crime scene quite a turn-on...
 
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Unless a bent cop decides to plant your DNA on something or other. You can't say its never happened before..
They don't keep the DNA, they keep a record of the DNA pattern - so they can't plant it unless;

They want to fit someone up.
They arrest them for something they didn't do and take a new DNA sampe.
They plant said DNA sample at the new crime scene.

Can't see that happening unless you're some kind of crime lord.
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The worry is though, that according to CID the DNA result could come back as 'inconclusive'. In this case they said they would have to start pulling his mobile apart and checking calls etc, presumably looking for a conversation like "lets go nick the bikes tonight"
But how can DNA be inconclusive? Is it because the sample from the scene may not be a good one?
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Yes - it might be contaminated, degraded or present in a very tiny amount.

Also, his mobile signal will tell them roughly where he was at a given time. On a slightly larger scale that's how they knew Huntley was lying.
 
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Yes, I can see that point but my issue is more with the way it was done, too heavy handed and presuming guilt a bit too quickly. I thought there ought to have been an invite to the station and a few questions asked etc, not a German Shepherd dog at your throat while you're on the ground.
Yup that sounds like Lowestoft Police alright RF

Total overreaction to every :sw: ing thing that they think may have some self glory in it for them

And it makes me laugh that they mount an operation like that over 'bike thefts when there's all the other drug related :sw: going on in the town !!

*cough* New drug dealing owners of Bridges *cough*

But can you get them to come out when you want them too... can you :sw: as like

Sorry to hear about what your boy went through like !!
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Of course, they still have to prove their case. A decent solicitor experienced in criminal cases might prove a sound investment if it doesn't go away quickly.

It would be hoped they do drop it - if he's 15 now, a conviction involving a fine would be spent after 2.5 years I believe for someone of that age, and may well be still current when he hits 18 and is looking for work or study opportunities, assuming he's staying on for A levels.
 
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maybe you're little angel isn't as innocent as he seems, it happens.

The police have got a job to do, i mean if they caught the real criminals and all they did was tell them to stop it put them in some furry cuffs and took them to the station for 10mins you'd be pretty ****ed also wouldn't you?

i can't really see much of a problem with the DNA on record thing. surely it would lead to more crimes being solved, less illegals, less criminal activity etc?
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