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I think its a bloody cheek. What right do Tesco have to moralise and decided what we should all pay for drink just because a minority of p...heads abuse it. Instead of penalising all why not address the real social issues behind the problem instead of more profit for Tesco and more tax revenue for Gordon. Perhaps Tesco may consider sponsoring youth centres or clubs in problem areas with some of their profit rather then experimenting with social control through pricing of booze?
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I'm all for shedloads of tax on beer and tabacco. I don't smoke at all, and I drink in relative moderation, so as far as I'm concerned they can bung as much of the tax burden on those commodities as they like
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Wherever we look we are constrained by laws and regulations aimed at curbing excess rather than regulating moderate activity.

This is no different. C'est la vie.

On the other hand, many argue that the substantial fall in the real cost of alcohol over the years is one of the key social issues here.
 
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On a selfish note, I'm with Bazza....

BUT, I think Tesco are being unfairly singled out in this one as the pressure is coming from politicians. better for the Spermarkets to sit down on a voluntory basis and agree a set of measures to restrict the sale of alcohol to those who would supply underage drinkers.

Society does have a serious problem with alcohol abuse and we owe it to our youngsters to give them alternatives to hanging around under bridges sniffing glue, swigging cider and necking Buckfast.

I'm a strong believer in working for benefits - if you can't find a job then local authorities should have access to youth labour for community projects etc. Turn up, do a days work, receive a days wages.

Or is that just too simplistic?
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if its too expensive they will nick it

I don't think that Tesco are moralizing, just they are in a good position to collaborate with the Gov't as they are at the sharp end, after all what do the Gov't know, they are too far away from the problem. All the strong cider brands featured on a TV documentary on the issue are not sold at Tesco.

Tesco can and do sponsor local community issues, maybe just not as good as others at shouting about it.
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highest incidence of alcohol abuse in western europe? - scandinavia & the UK (high taxes and regulation)

lowest incidence of alcohol abuse in western europe? - mediterranean countries (low taxes and little regulation)


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Alcohol abuse is almost unheard of in southern european countries simply because it is culturally unacceptable. Wine and beer is drunk only for social purposes and rarely if ever just to get drunk. It is one of the great joys Sue and I have when we go to Italy every September. We will meet with old friends on a Friday evening and enjoy a great meal out followed by a stroll through the town for a final beer, coffee or ice cream. The streets are crowded with young and old alike all milling around, chatting, showing off their clothes, bikes and cars - there is not the air of malevolance you get here at week-ends.

In the Uk (and other northern climes) we seem to rejoice in getting wrecked out of our skulls and to be fair the Govt. actively encourages it with their laissez faire attitude to licencing etc.

It will take a long time before we here find it socially acceptable to say we had a great week-end eating ice-cream and chatting to mates.
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I don't drink so the tax on Alcohol doesnt bother me too much, however I think Alcohol is getting too much of the blame for what really is a more deep rooted social problem.

If anyone thinks these kids would stop vandalising things, assaulting people and causing other problems if drink was not available is seriously wrong.
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i think its valid.

Ban sale of cheap alcohol, Tesco urges Brown - Telegraph
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Let's face it we can bleat on about
moral decline etc. When it comes down
to it, the increase in alcohol abuse is
due to bad parenting.

If you teach your kids from a young
age (and this doesn't just apply to
alcohol) there will be less problems.

There are people just don't care about
teaching their spawn lovely
offspring anymore.
 
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Of course Tesco wouldn't be thinking of their profits either would they.
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Let's face it we can bleat on about
moral decline etc. When it comes down
to it, the increase in alcohol abuse is
due to bad parenting.

If you teach your kids from a young
age (and this doesn't just apply to
alcohol) there will be less problems.

There are people just don't care about
teaching their spawn lovely
offspring anymore.
how many good kids do you see from middle class backgrounds hit 15/16 yrs old, start wearing black/white make up hating the world rebelling against there parents going out getting ****ed getting off their heads on whatever?

you can't blame the parents in these cases can you?

and then theres the student thing. mummy and daddy send there little angel Charley to uni to get his degree in watching paint dry, little do they know he's popping E's like theres no tomorrow again can you blame the parents for the binging?
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Let's face it we can bleat on about
moral decline etc. When it comes down
to it, the increase in alcohol abuse is
due to bad parenting.

If you teach your kids from a young
age (and this doesn't just apply to
alcohol) there will be less problems.

There are people just don't care about
teaching their spawn lovely
offspring anymore.
Exactly, its down to parenting and to a lesser extent education and wider government policy failure, not a lack of regulation or cheap alcohol thats causing kids to go out and get wrecked. (Its cause there's nothing better to do)

Really they should remove the tax from alcohol altogether, so its competetive on price with drugs, which are getting so cheap now its ludicrous! I remember when I was just finishing compulsory education aged 16 when a 1/16th oz bag of skunk would cost you the best part of £25, now you can get the same for a fiver, and that is only 5 years on. To be fair actually, I would rather see all the chavs stoned in their houses playing PlayStation rather than ****ed on the streets, stabbing each other and mugging old ladies..

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Exactly, its down to parenting and to a lesser extent education and wider government policy failure, not a lack of regulation or cheap alcohol thats causing kids to go out and get wrecked. (Its cause there's nothing better to do)

Really they should remove the tax from alcohol altogether, so its competetive on price with drugs, which are getting so cheap now its ludicrous! I remember when I was just finishing compulsory education aged 16 when a 1/16th oz bag of skunk would cost you the best part of 25, now you can get the same for a fiver, and that is only 5 years on. To be fair actually, I would rather see all the chavs stoned in their houses playing PlayStation rather than ****ed on the streets, stabbing each other and mugging old ladies..
are you being serious mate? ive never heard of a 1/16th bag of green. a 10bag is a 1/10 a 20 an 1/8th (although nowadays with the drought its now 12.50 and 25)

people take drugs and the problem is getting worse. its easier to get coke than skunk you know.
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Tesco are not at all concerned about alcohol.

They want the law concerning competion to be removed i.e. all of the big companies get together to agree a price for a commodity. Remove the law and as well as putting up the price of booze (how socially responsible of them) the next thing they do is put up the price of everything else.

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are you being serious mate? ive never heard of a 1/16th bag of green. a 10bag is a 1/10 a 20 an 1/8th (although nowadays with the drought its now 12.50 and 25)

people take drugs and the problem is getting worse. its easier to get coke than skunk you know.
Yeah, 1/16th oz is pretty common, round here you'd just call it a "teenth". A '10bag' means a tenner's worth, I guess 1/8th oz but like you say there's loads of farms getting raided at the moment so I'd imagine the prices will be up..

You don't even see resin these days as the green stuff has gotten so cheap. Coke is dirt cheap in Middlesbrough too, go into most bars bogs and all the flat surfaces in the cubicles have been treated to stop people snorting a line - its that much of a problem.. I saw one guy do a line off the top of the hand-dryer assembly, it was a busy club toilet too he obviously didn't care too much Can't stand coke-heads though, I live just over the road from the big red light district and most of the prostitutes are on it, teeth falling out, shouting at each other etc.. Its horrible. Some also have sores on their legs, stomachs etc, I think thats from meth, they say its going to be the next big thing here soon just like it is in America, more addictive than heroin or so they say.

And the government is worried about binge drinking?

If they raise the price of booze so much so that its too expensive to get drunk you will just push kids into weed, which will act as a gateway drug cause they'll be buying it off a dealer who is selling other stuff as well. Just look at America, most kids there smoke weed cause its easier to get hold of than booze if your under 21, and harder to get caught.
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Why punish everyone by upping the price of alcohol. Stop the kids drinking in the streets and parks !!! We had that trouble at our old house, police did nothing.

They did create a bylaw that banned people from drinking in the street, but it was never enforced.

I like alcohol, it's my friend.
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are you being serious mate? ive never heard of a 1/16th bag of green.
Never heard of a teenth? How old are you?
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Why punish everyone by upping the price of alcohol. Stop the kids drinking in the streets and parks !!!
There's more to "the problem" than kids. There are all the middle class bottle-of-wine-every-single-night types out there as well.
 
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There's more to "the problem" than kids. There are all the middle class bottle-of-wine-every-single-night types out there as well.
That's me !!! What's the problem with that. I don't effect anyone else !
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It's more a liver-failure-public-health thing than a puking-over-the-garden-wall kind of thing.

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It's more a liver-failure-public-health thing than a puking-over-the-garden-wall kind of thing.

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Yeah, I think it is a growing problem with the middle classes, especially with the stresses, pressures, insecurity and fast pace of modern life.

It's very easy to get home at night, head for the fridge and pour each other a glass of wine and of course one isn't enough.........Before you know it you've got a probelm and worse than that you'll be in denial 'til it's too late.

Three of my friends have succumbed to this creeping alcoholism and the results aren't pleasant: Breakdown of the marriage, severe debt, job loss and in the case of my very best friend from schooldays - a narrowly avoided prison sentence after a road -rage incident. I think that was the scariest of all as it was completely and totally out of character.

I also have concerns about one or two posters above who seemed to be more than familiar with soft drugs. I also have friends who never left that stuff behind and most of those now have personality disorders and who never achieved their potential. They also are in denial and can wax lyricaly and philosophically about how a little "blow" is no worse than drinking alcohol socially.

I don't mean to pontificate but just be aware of the creeping dangers guys. You don't want to get to your fifties and wonder how your life turned out a mess and you look and feel worn out.

I got the shock of my life last Summer. I was invited to a BBQ by a friend of a friend and it turned out to be a bit of a smoke session, if you know what I mean. I was a casual observor but as the evening wore on I started to vaguely recognise a few people from my youth but couldn't get my head to accept they were who I thought they were because they looked so old, drawn and worn. Horror upon horrors they WERE who I thought they were and frankly they looked awfull.

In addition and sadly they also had turned out to be losers in life, living on the edge of society.

Now these were bright, tertiary educated individuals when I once knew them and all I could think about was, what a waste.....
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Maybe they're quite happy.
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