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My son's friend just crashed his family's Nissan Altima 3.5 SE last night (my son was the passenger) - 270bhp and 17 year old driver not a good combination - the 50ft skid marks into the junction kind of give it away as to what happened.

Was well p**sed at the parents for letting their inexperienced son drive such a powerful saloon car with such little driving experience and British too so I would have thought they should have known better.

Thankfully everyone was OK (which is the main thing) but just cant believe parents would have such little forethought as to how young men are going to drive such a powerful car.

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Thats a terrible mess !! Glad everyone was ok though
 
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Wow, glad noone was hurt, that looks pretty nasty.

With you on young drivers. My nephew (19) drives a 1.1l car and that's plenty.
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Glad everyone is ok.

There should be a law allowing young or inexperienced drivers to have a car with a maximum BHP and only after a set period where they remain accident or points free are they allowed to move upto the next size engine.

To many of these kids think that they are invincible and that there driving skills are greater than they really are.

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Glad everyone is ok.

There should be a law allowing young or inexperienced drivers to have a car with a maximum BHP and only after a set period where they remain accident or points free are they allowed to move upto the next size engine.

To many of these kids think that they are invincible and that there driving skills are greater than they really are.
Thats exactly true but in this country you can drive ANY car that you can afford to insure no matter what driver age or experience - totally mad.
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1.2 litre cars max until you are 21 I say
 
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So the antilock brakes (ABS) didn't work or the car did not have it or the car was travelling side ways down the road???? I have "locked' the 147 brakes, i.e. the ABS was working overtime and never left a mark.

As for max of 1.2 litre cars.... I have driven a 1.2 litre Gpunto on Australian roads and it was scary.... Had to drive it foot flat to the floor to keep up with the traffic from the stop lights here in Melbourne Australia where even the Taxis have engine of over 3.5 litres......



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Skid marks are in a straight line down the slip road, across the pavement and into the oncoming traffic

Was very surprised too that ABS allowed the brakes to lock as its only a 1 year old car but probably road was a bit dusty / gritty as we'd had rain earlier but not sure why that would affect the ABS as it should still do its job.
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Skid marks are in a straight line down the slip road, across the pavement and into the oncoming traffic

Was very surprised too that ABS allowed the brakes to lock as its only a 1 year old car but probably road was a bit dusty / gritty as we'd had rain earlier but not sure why that would affect the ABS as it should still do its job.
My understanding is that with ABS the 'skid' mark should at 'worst' be very faint and most likely 'choppy' as the tyre locks and then unlocks. A nice continuous line would therefore indicate no ABS ???
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Skid marks ... across the pavement
Jesus. He can think himself lucky he didn't kill somebody.
 
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My understanding is that with ABS the 'skid' mark should at 'worst' be very faint and most likely 'choppy' as the tyre locks and then unlocks. A nice continuous line would therefore indicate no ABS ???
That would be my understanding too - I was some distance from the marks but they could easily be seen and I dont think they look choppy - but it was at night and probably not at the forefront of my mind.

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Jesus. He can think himself lucky he didn't kill somebody.
Yes I know........
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Will there be any significant legal sanction out there? Will it count back here?

I guess he'd be onto a charge of dangerous driving here with a substantial ban, and little prospect of insurance for some time afterwards.
 
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Wonder if if he would of cursed me as an old doddery fart, who should be off the road?
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Folly of youth,
we`ve all been there,
now we`re long in the tooth,
our radios do not blare
eyes on roads fewer distractions
tend too drive with more care,
folly of youth little thought of their actions.


Folly of age get motor bike
with thoughts of yesteryear.
with reactions so slow, into dyke,
folly of age leads to many a tear.

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Long in the tooth? Good poem, but it should read short in the gums,cos' they shrink with age. I'm a sort of authority on fangs and molars, and needles, and slide hammers, and root canal therapy, and laying back!
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Folly of age get motor bike
with thoughts of yesteryear.
with reactions so slow, into dyke,
folly of age leads to many a tear.

John.
Nah, I would rather have a 139 Junior with a bloody big engine than a bike...... It was not much fun riding a bike in the 1970s and even worse now!!!!
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Re: Young drivers with little driving expereince

How does it go?

Something like: "A young driver is 10 times more likely to have an accident in his (and increasingly her) first 2 years of driving that in all the rest of his driving career put together"
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British too so I would have thought they should have known better.

Stupidity does not have boundaries of nationality...

Also what was your innocent son doing at the time....I suppose he was saying 'please don't drive real fast your too young to handle this car you don't have the experience...'

Or was it 'lets see what this baby has got....'

As you say the 50ft skid mark probably tells you what your sons involvement was....as I am sure he said 'look mate your driving like a dick let me out right now.....'

Oh the joys of responsible parenting....



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Stupidity does not have boundaries of nationality...

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You should see some of the driving in some ME countries... seriously.

I think that is what he was referring to.


Obviously Pascs was unaware that his son was out in this car. So please don't suggest it was bad parenting (that's just the way I read it)

It's very lucky no one was hurt.

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Re: Young drivers with little driving expereince

IMHO, its not a folly for parents to allow their children to drive high powered cars, its whether the child has the commonsense to drive the car appropriately considering their driving experience

I learnt to drive (in the days before VDC, ABS etc) in both my father's V8 and my mum's V6 and never had any problems, both cars of which I also drove after I passed my test. My first car was a straight six and I had a few turbo's before I turned 21 (when I got my first Alfa).
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1.2 litre cars max until you are 21 I say
Disagree. My 1.2 Corsa would still do 110mph, but it didn't have airbags or ABS, and had absolutely zero lateral grip.. Imagine if these boys were driving one of them at the time, I think the post might be a lot sadder in tone than it is now

I did 1.2 Corsa from 17 -> 19, then I had a 1.5 Mazda for ten months -> then 2.4 JTD and now 3.0 V6 at age 21, never had a crash touch-wood.
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Re: Young drivers with little driving expereince

A 17 year old shouldn't be driving that kind of car.

There should definitely be some restrictions on power/driver age.

Maybe a kind of semi-licence for two years, then another test and a full licence once passed.
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How does it go?

Something like: "A young driver is 10 times more likely to have an accident in his (and increasingly her) first 2 years of driving that in all the rest of his driving career put together"
Joys of discarding that L plate,
freedom at last lets go for a blast,
o.k. at 8 don`t be late,
foot to floor ,OH! my "THEY GASP"
Parents ask "Why oh Why,
DID THEY NOT DRIVE SLOW,?"
They were on a blast the reason why
with young hearts that never beat slow.


We have all passed thru teen age years
Mine, along time ago,Truth is I do not know,
how I would manage the powerful car ,crowded roads of to day,
Sad thing is I thing this youthful carnage is here to stay.
And I will hide behind those words.spoken by many.
It the signs of the time me dears.


John.

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I read somewhere that approximately half (or a third-I can't remember) of all RTA's in this country involve someone who is aged 17-19
 
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Disagree. My 1.2 Corsa would still do 110mph, but it didn't have airbags or ABS, and had absolutely zero lateral grip.. Imagine if these boys were driving one of them at the time, I think the post might be a lot sadder in tone than it is now
What he said. I passed my test when I was 19.

My first car was a 1.8 306 (108BHP)

2nd 1.8 Mondeo (110) ( i crashed this one too, but only cost £300 to repair)

3rd Car 1.8 Alfa 156 - 154BHP!! A real car.
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