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Mobile speed cameras cause most accidents than they prevent !

I was driving on the M4 Sunday in heavy rain, following a M3 BMW in the outside lane. We come around a bend and see a mobile speed camera on the bridge. The guy in the M3 panics and performs what can only be called an emergency stop Braking heavily from approx 80 -85mph to 50mph (70 limit), with me right behind him

If I didn't have such good brakes, or if my mind was on other things I would have ended up ramming the M3 (which people might say is not a bad thing). Wife and kids were in the car at the time.

If the speed camera was not there, this would not have happened ! Hate to think who else has had the same problem.

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Agree wholeheartedly except for the below - that's maybe exactly the reason why the camera was there

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I hate it when people slow down to way below the speed limit when getting close to a permanent speed trap....
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I hate it when people slow down to way below the speed limit when getting close to a permanent speed trap....

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Agree wholeheartedly except for the below - that's maybe exactly the reason why the camera was there
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Agree wholeheartedly except for the below - that's maybe exactly the reason why the camera was there
On a 3 lane motorway !
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If you noticed, I said 'The BMW was doing 80-85mph' not me
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On a 3 lane motorway !
Not going to get into the whole debate on speed limits but yes, even on a 3 lane motorway if it's heavy rain.

Live by the adage of driving to the conditions - +++mph on an empty motorway at 4am on a summers morning, 10mph past a school at throwing out time and whatever is appropriate in bad weather particularly given some of the flooding/standing water that seems to be happening at the moment. Just came close to losing a good friend who thought that 75mph on the outside lane of the M25 was acceptable until they hit standing water and ended up backwards in lane 1 via the central reservation, hard shoulder & embankment.
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I think the thing is that, given the description of events, the BMW was driving too fast for the conditions. In addition, in such adverse weather conditions we need to ensure that we leave a sufficient gap between ourselves and the car infront.
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My point is, there was absolutely no point in the M3 slamming the brakes on from 80mpg to 50mph.

My other point is, people are going to speed on motorways !!!! With the camera there or not. It is more dangerous to have the camera there beacuse it causes these people to break heavily.
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The BMW was driving too fast irrespective of the conditions.
 
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The BMW was driving too fast irrespective of the conditions.
Motorway limits should be raised !
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u can go 85 and wont be pulled for it. the rules for the speed limits are way too old imo, stopping distances are much better than the original set by a horse and cart about 300 years ago.....
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u can go 85 and wont be pulled for it. the rules for the speed limits are way too old imo, stopping distances are much better than the original set by a horse and cart about 300 years ago.....
Finally some common sense !
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Finally some common sense !


What should be and what is are two different things.....

I would love the speed limit to be increased - but it is what it is and if you drive beyond the limit you do so at your own peril...


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What should be and what is are two different things.....

I would love the speed limit to be increased - but it is what it is and if you drive beyond the limit you do so at your own peril...


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You wouldn't expect the car in front of you to perform an emergency stop though !
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You wouldn't expect the car in front of you to perform an emergency stop though !
But he over reacted - just like he could have over reacted if a carrier bag blew into his path - I think that is why you leave enough space between vehicles....just in case of the unexpected....

But he was a BMW driver after all - so technically you are in the wrong - as you were on his road.....

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But he over reacted - just like he could have over reacted if a carrier bag blew into his path - I think that is why you leave enough space between vehicles....just in case of the unexpected....

But he was a BMW driver after all - so technically you are in the wrong - as you were on his road.....

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I did leave plenty of room, that's how I braked safely, but if the camera wasn't there I wouldn't have had to brake at all.

Good point about the BMW though
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Motorway limits should be raised !
The limit is 70mph, and common motorway cruising speed is generally around 70-90mph.

Raise the limit to (for example) 90mph, and that common motorway speed will increase too, probably to speeds upto and over 100mph.

Now hitting something at 70mph is bad enough. Anyone fancy hitting something at 100mph? Or being an innocent party that gets wiped out at 3 figure speeds by a rep in a hurry to get to his next meeting?

Yes, braking distances have improved greatly with technology, but the oldest common denominator is drivers brain capacity, which remains unchanged over the years, and in some individuals is stunningly low.
 
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Can't you see why that camera was there, and all the others like it around the country?

It's because of the prevalent view that speed limits are old hat, and really, really good drivers (like 'me') can pick and choose what speed to go at.
 
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If the limit went up to 90mph, would we drive any faster ?
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If the limit went up to 90mph, would we drive any faster ?
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Motorways are our safest roads, adding camera's and other distractions is bound to cause accidents.

I was driving along the stretch of dual carriageway that runs past Silverstone circuit the other week, and there is a truvelo type camera on the central reservation. In front of it there were skid marks, which continued past the camera, through the slow lane and ended up at a big dent in the armco barrier on the outside.. Obviously someone saw the camera panicked and lost control.
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u can go 85 and wont be pulled for it. the rules for the speed limits are way too old imo, stopping distances are much better than the original set by a horse and cart about 300 years ago.....
but thinking distance seems to be worse (well, mine is!)
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