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Mazda MX-5 12 29.27%
FIAT 124 spider 25 60.98%
Other 4 9.76%
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FIAT 124 v MX-5

A simple 2 way showdown, FIAT 124 spider v Mazda MX-5.

Built from the same platform they should be the same but the FIAT has sublte differences and a different engine approach.

MX-5

Comes with either a 1.5 or 2.0 naturally aspirated engine with 129bhp or 158bhp respectively.
Priced from £18k-£23k
6 speed manual
Not the best economy figures even from the 1.5 so VED is high at band E and G for the 2 engines.
2.0 spec gets a LSD and uprated dampers.
Rear drive.
Slightly more aggressive styling to the front end - angry headlight.

FIAT 124 Spider

1.4 Turbo petrol from the Abarth 500 with 138bhp and more torque than the 2.0 Mazda (Hot Abarth version with more power likely to follow)
6 speed short shift manual
Prices for the 124 not announced yet but likely to be slightly higher than the Mazda.
Rear drive.
More retro styling, adding the boot lid mounted FIAT badge of old.

The FIAT is slightly longer than the Mazda, FIAT say they wanted to increase usable space, it achieves a marginally larger boot.

The interior on the 2 is very similar with the same touch screen centre console. But the FIAT has a slightly more sporty looking steering wheel and has a more luxurious look covering the exposed body work.

Which do you prefer?
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I hate to say it but I would rather have the Mazda.

The styling of the Fiat is very dissapointing, and the front is borderline ugly.
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Where are you getting the lighter figures from? I've read the Fiat is over 100lbs heavier than the Mazda??
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Where are you getting the lighter figures from? I've read the Fiat is over 100lbs heavier than the Mazda??
Just tried to find it again, I may have mis-read, it does seem the FIAT is heavier.

Makes up for it with more power and torque.

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I hate to say it but I would rather have the Mazda.

The styling of the Fiat is very disappointing, and the front is borderline ugly.
I agree the Mazda is a little better looking from the front, but the FIAT is better looking overall, the Mazda's rear end is awful
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I'd take the FIAT, preferably with more power. I disagree on the looks. I think it has more character than the Mazda though you can see the overall similarities being effectively the same structure.

It doesn't do a bad job of capturing the essence of the old 124 spider. And being a Mazda it will work.
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Mazda have said there are no plans for a more powerful version but we know there is going to be an Abarth version with 170bhp+
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I agree with Symon.

Saw a white '5 in a carpark yesterday and the front looks well tasty.

Photos do not do it justice.



Maybe it'll be the same for the Fiat?
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I'm pretty sure a turbo will corrupt what the MX5 chassis is all about.
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Fiat for me. I like the bonnet bulges like on the original. I think it looks neat and uncluttered. I like the Mazda but it looks a bit peculiar from the back.
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The way the bonnet shrouds the headlights on the Mazda IRL is quite stunning.

You can't see it on the photos.
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Mazda have said there are no plans for a more powerful version but we know there is going to be an Abarth version with 170bhp+
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Personally I don't think 170bhp is enough on a car like this.

250bhp and keeping the light kerb weight and they would be terrific.

As standard they are going to get out accelerated by a Turbodiesel repmobile.
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124-wise, it's early not-yet-seen-in-the-flesh days, but on a base level...I want the Mazda. To my eyes, the Fiat's 'nice', but not enough to want and it's not (yet?) pulling me in, in the same way the more earnest Mazda does.

I will eat a fake Gucci handbag if the US ads for the 124 go: 'Style from Eeytaley, engineering and performance from Eeytaley...'

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The Fiat headlights are dreadful
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Personally I don't think 170bhp is enough on a car like this.

250bhp and keeping the light kerb weight and they would be terrific.

As standard they are going to get out accelerated by a Turbodiesel repmobile.
Maybe that's not the point?
The diesel powered rep may be trying to get it over with and the spiderist may be enjoying the journey. A colleague who's just rid himself of a Civic S ,or whatever the 3dr was, tells me he's not in such a hurry with his BMW 3-Series coupe.
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I have said this before, but a car sold as "Sportscar" should be sporty.

There isn't anything sporty about a car which cannot out accelerate a cooking family hatch/saloon.
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The original MX5 wasn't quick but it was brilliant fun to drive. It doesn't matter that other things are quicker because they are nowhere near as responsive and nimble. It's the same principle that makes 998cc Minis fantastic fun to throw about despite having no power at all.
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The original MX5 wasn't quick but it was brilliant fun to drive. It doesn't matter that other things are quicker because they are nowhere near as responsive and nimble. It's the same principle that makes 998cc Minis fantastic fun to throw about despite having no power at all.
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In that case why not buy something that is lighter, like an Elise or Westfield etc, they are sports cars due to the power to weight ratio.

The MX-5 etc are ok to drive, but they are half baked efforts in comparison as they are too civilised, no wonder some consider them as hairdressers cars.

My dad had a Mk2 MX-5 with the 1.8 litre engine and to be honest I was underwhelmed. Noisy, cramped, slow and the engine sounded pretty rubbish. Then there is the awful plastic interior.


Cars like them are pleasant, non intimidating 2 seat convertibles for pootling around country roads. A proper sports car is something like a Austin Healy 3000, AC Cobra, TVR etc...

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Mazda should bring back/update the 1.8i K8 V6 and slap it in there.
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they aren't "sports cars" in the sense of them being fast aggressive and "sporty"

they are "roadsters" designed to look good, drive well and be engaging but not scary or intimidating, exciting at normal road speeds.
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In that case why not buy something that is lighter, like an Elise or Westfield etc, they are sports cars due to the power to weight ratio.

The MX-5 etc are ok to drive, but they are half baked efforts in comparison as they are too civilised, no wonder some consider them as hairdressers cars.

My dad had a Mk2 MX-5 with the 1.8 litre engine and to be honest I was underwhelmed. Noisy, cramped, slow and the engine sounded pretty rubbish. Then there is the awful plastic interior.


Cars like them are pleasant, non intimidating 2 seat convertibles for pootling around country roads. A proper sports car is something like a Austin Healy 3000, AC Cobra, TVR etc...
fair point, Symon - but for some folks it'll need to double us their daily car, so while you're right in saying you'll get a sportier drive in an Elise, they may not have the day in day out usability of an MX5 etc. Everything's a compromise
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That the mx5 has shifted a million units in a market segment that everyone thought had been killed off by the hot hatch suggests that the formula is pretty much on the money in terms of being something that people want to buy.

It's not a car for people who believe that power is the be all and end all. If it had 250bhp in a little short chassis it would be an altogether different beast, much more if a handful, and less suited to thrashing down country lanes at speeds that don't put your licence at risk.
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