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The 2.4 200bhp multijet 10 55.56%
The 1.9 150bhp multijet 8 44.44%
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What diesel do you prefer?

Following on from the thread https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/gener...back-test.html it would be interesting to see what you thought was the nicest diesel to drive.
I am personally very disappointed with the latest 2.4 in the Brera and 159 and very impressed with the 1.9 in the 147/GT.
The 2.4 seems to have poor throttle response and the engine never feels alive like the 1.9. I realise you cannot directly compare them, so I am basing this poll on your expectations and the feel of the perfomance.

PLEASE ONLY VOTE IF YOU HAVE DRIVEN THEM BOTH!!!

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There's no "Other" !
(Or "Neither" even!!)

Rabid anti-petrol discrimination!!!


 
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Nev makes a very good point
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ill buy a diesel when i lose the will to live and have 3 kids and a people carrier, ie NEVER, petrol all the way for me
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Re: What diesel do you prefer?

I think he means if you had to have a diesel i.e. a man took a gun and put it to your head ... at that point - which diesel would you have.....?

me I agree the 2.4 in the brera is not good - the 1.9 is cooking on fat ;-)

It's still an alfa after all...

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I think he means if you had to have a diesel i.e. a man took a gun and put it to your head ... at that point - which diesel would you have.....?

No,

sorry,

still don't get it!



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Surely the 200bhp 2.4 gives far superior performance?
 
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As mentioned above, there's no NEVer option!
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OK diesel is not for everyone I know blah blah blah. So all you mickey takers out of diesels go and stick to your posts on topping up your oil please .

This is serious - I'd like to guage some opinions from the diesel people here on what their opinions are on these two versions.
VO2MAX - I know that the 2.4 is faster on paper in any guise than the 1.9's in any guise, but this is not what the poll is about - it is about your EXPECTATIONS and how the engines feel in real life.
 
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Re: What diesel do you prefer?

I am a Diesel hating, caravan hating type too. Where is the 260BHP V6 petrol option?
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I am a Diesel hating, caravan hating type too. Where is the 260BHP V6 petrol option?

Good for you.
 
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Okay no more p*55taking.

If I was in the market for a diesel
( If I was a cabby or something )
I'd get the 1.9 as economy would
surely be the overiding factor to
be choosing a DERV in the 1st place!

 
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Sorry I should have addressed this poll more clearly - Please only vote if you have driven both - do not vote if you haven't!!!!
 
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If I HAD to go for a diesel it would be the 2.4 with the hope that they'd improve it by the time I got it
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Please Read Above - What Diesel Do You Prefer Not Would Prefer! Only Vote If You Have Driven Both.
 
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I've not driven an Alfa diesel as yet.........

I borrowed a new VW Passat TDI the other day though and the bugger flew along nicely........how about buying one of them instead?
 
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The only VW TDI I'd consider is the 5 litre V10 in the Toureg thingie (if I had 55k to WASTE)
Now that thing shifts...bye bye 147 GTA
 
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Surely the 200bhp 2.4 gives far superior performance?
Depends on what car it's in.

Imagine your 200 bhp 2.4 Multijet diesel in... an ISUZU Trooper!!!

Fast? I think not

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Re: What diesel do you prefer?

The Towrags are a bit lardy to be honest and I believe they are not that fast actually especially for a V10.
0-62mph in 7.5 seconds is a bit passe these days even for an overweight SUV.

I see why they are saying "bye bye GTA" though

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/06/...smoke-problem/

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The only VW TDI I'd consider is the 5 litre V10 in the Toureg thingie (if I had 55k to WASTE)
Now that thing shifts...bye bye 147 GTA

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Re: What diesel do you prefer?

I have driven the 147 1.9 JTD and the 156 2.4 JTD. Prefer the 2.4 purely on the basis of badge snobbery as the 2.4 didn't seem much quicker. Wish Alfa would offer the GT with the 2.4 JTD engine.
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Okay no more p*55taking.

If I was in the market for a diesel
( If I was a cabby or something )
I'd get the 1.9 as economy would
surely be the overiding factor to
be choosing a DERV in the 1st place!

Hmmm, think you'll find that that the 150 Bhp, 325 nm torque Alfa 1.9 diesel has a little more up it's sleeve than economy, and although not really a fair fight, the Gtd would "gub" the 2.2 Brera in pretty much any performance contest.
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Re: What diesel do you prefer?

See above for one of the reasons I don't post much any more. So many petrol drivers with a v large chip on their shoulders for reasons I do not understand.
Anyway the 175 bhp 2.4 in the 156 is a cracker, particularly when it's run in. No evidence of lag unless you really botch it up - like most turbo engines in fact.

The 1.9 in the GT and 147 is a little short of breath but a great performer. I won't judge to 2.4 200 bhp until there are a few run in. My engine really loosened up at 15,000 miles. What a difference.
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Re: What diesel do you prefer?

I tried the 20v M-Jet engine in the 156, and I have to say I was a little dissapointed. I think that I was expecting huge low down torque, but this engine appears to have some petrol characteristics. I would really need a longer test, but I thik that it would possibly be a quick car, but it's just that the 10v appeared more impressive to my perceptions of what a diesel should be.

Also, I thought that the 150BHP 10v sounded a bit better- gruntier sounding, whereas the 20v is more refined.

Perhaps I have just read too much hype from the motoring press (for Italian cars) and simply expected the 20v to be a giant killing monster. It's not, but it probably is an efficient and powerful engine for it's size and application.
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See above for one of the reasons I don't post much any more. So many petrol drivers with a v large chip on their shoulders for reasons I do not understand.
Anyway the 175 bhp 2.4 in the 156 is a cracker, particularly when it's run in. No evidence of lag unless you really botch it up - like most turbo engines in fact.

The 1.9 in the GT and 147 is a little short of breath but a great performer. I won't judge to 2.4 200 bhp until there are a few run in. My engine really loosened up at 15,000 miles. What a difference.

Point well made. The development of diesel engines in the last few years is blasting ahead of petrol engine development (for example: what was the engine in the car that won Le Mans 24 hr this year?..... and will probably win next year) Sorry to all the petrol luddites but it is the future, Prius anyone?

Diesel critics should accept that a good diesel is no less rewarding in terms of performance and driving quality etc... just different.

To answer the question:

The 1.9 is a very good engine but the 2.4 is smoother, quieter and gives better power delivery. I wish I had gone for it instead of the 1.9

I have driven the 2.4 in both the Brera and 159: in the Brera I was dissapointed but in the 159 I thought it was great! the diference was that the 159 had been an AR demonstrator and been around for about 7k miles the Brera was absolutely brand new and had 10 miles on the clock.
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So I've learned something very important today:

All the French have switched over to diesel engined
cars to increase overall performance and driving
experience!

And all these years I was thinking it was only
to do with saving money!


My French must be really bad as I've misunderstood
every French car owner I've ever met!
 
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