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.....I know its probably never going to happen, not in my lifetime anyhow but just think of the money this would save if we returned the death penalty.

One case this weekend highlights the girl from Reading who was abducted, tortured, raped and stabbed to death by that gang of six men, as well as leaving her friend for dead. Surely in cases like this the only sensible thing is to execute these people.

It must cost this country B's to house and keep these degenerates until they are due for release, these six are in their early 20's and they got life with a minimum of 27 yrs each, put a figure on that and then treble it to get a rough idea this will cost us.

I agree, there have been miscarriages of justice in the past which have been regretable but surely in this day and age of DNA and where there is absolutely no doubt they should be put to death.

If I had my way all convicted Terrorists, Serial Killers/Paedophiles/Murderers/Rapists would be killed and the choice of which way it should be done left to the relatives of their victims should they wish to be involved.

Personally I'd torture the [email protected] myself first before getting down to the business of the execution.

What method would you go for, some of America's finest or even bring back some of our own methods from the middle ages. I know what I'd choose for them. !!!!!

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i would choose for them the electric chair, or the gas chamber....
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.....I know its probably never going to happen, not in my lifetime anyhow but just think of the money this would save if we returned the death penalty.

One case this weekend highlights the girl from Reading who was abducted, tortured, raped and stabbed to death by that gang of six men, as well as leaving her friend for dead. Surely in cases like this the only sensible thing is to execute these people.

It must cost this country £B's to house and keep these degenerates until they are due for release, these six are in their early 20's and they got life with a minimum of 27 yrs each, put a figure on that and then treble it to get a rough idea this will cost us.

I agree, there have been miscarriages of justice in the past which have been regretable but surely in this day and age of DNA and where there is absolutely no doubt they should be put to death.

If I had my way all convicted Terrorists, Serial Killers/Paedophiles/Murderers/Rapists would be killed and the choice of which way it should be done left to the relatives of their victims should they wish to be involved.

Personally I'd torture the [email protected] myself first before getting down to the business of the execution.

What method would you go for, some of America's finest or even bring back some of our own methods from the middle ages. I know what I'd choose for them. !!!!!
As an American, I am disgusted by my government's disregard for human life (and I don't mean just the death penalty...). We are one of the only industrialzed nations in the world with the death penalty and the only one that executes children and the mentally ill. Politicians love the death penalty because they can appear to be tough on crime without actually doing anything about it. The emphasis seems to be on revenge rather than rehabilitation, and most forms of execution in the States cause extreme and agonizingly slow deaths which often don't even come because so many have been botched. Yes, it costs money to keep dangerous criminals off the streets, but when society begins to stoop to the level and mentality of criminals it cheapens the value of life and the values we supposedly stand for. And if none of these arguments hold any weight then consider the fact that literaly dozens of people have been wrongly executed in the United States - if even one person is put to death wrongly then the whole system should be abolished.

When Bush was governor of Texas he put people to death faster than any other governor in the history of the US (over 150 people!), earning him the nickname "the Texecutionor". This utter disregard for the value of human life may help to explain how he was so easily able to declare war on a country that had nothing to do with 911, Al Queda or WMD (his stated reasons), leading to the deaths of over 2300 brave young American soldiers and at least 30,000 innocent Iraqis. It also may help to explain how he was able to allow all the atrocities we saw on TV from Abu Graib and Guananemo Bay not only to occur, but also to continue, with not one person of rank taking responsility. Not even the Geneva Conventions are of value to him! Each and every life is precious and should be treated as such - even (or most especially) the criminals who show no respect for human lives themselves.....
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If killing someone is illegal, how can the state
then be allowed to kill/torture someone?
It's Sun/Daily Mail logic.

Given the number of ****-ups by the British
justice system over the last 30 years there
would be no way to appeal a death sentence
that had been carried out. Even with DNA evidence.


In a 21st century world there needs to be another
way to deal with criminals apart from exacting revenge
on them. That's why in a civilised country the victims
do not stand in judgement.

Way to deal with terrorist: Try and address any percieved
or real injustice they have so that their supporters just dry up.
No supporters, no money, public more likely to pass info
to the authorities.
(Also the religion in terrorism today is much more disturbing
than previous 70s political terrorism. Should we ban religion?)


Paedophiles: 90% of abusers are not strangers, they are
family members or friends of the family. The press never
report this because it is unpalitable. These people are never
going to be "cured" so maybe they need to be sectioned
and controlled.

If the death sentence really was the answer to the problem of
violent crime, why is there still violent crime in the US?!
 
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Don't forget that we have an incompetent and morally corrupt police force that sets itself above the law and thinks it acceptable to make monkey noises while prisoners die of neglect on the floor of police stations. It's a bad subject for me but the more restrained justice is, the better for all of us.
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I don't have any problem morally with the death penalty. However I am against it because it simply doesn't work as a deterrent. The American states with the death penalty have higher murder rates than those without it. Also I don't think anyone at the time of a murder actual think about the penalty they with be required to pay if caught. Like most criminals they think they'll get away with it, so any penalty does not make a difference.
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Just FYI:


http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGACT500062006



Since 1973 122 US prisoners have been released from death row after evidence
emerged of their innocence of the crimes for which they were sentenced to death.
There were six such cases in 2004 and two in 2005. Some prisoners had come
close to execution after spending many years under sentence of death.
Recurring features in their cases include prosecutorial or police misconduct; the
use of unreliable witness testimony, physical evidence, or confessions; and inadequate defence representation. Other US prisoners have gone to their deaths
despite serious doubts over their guilt.



The Death Penalty in the USA

* 60 prisoners were executed in the USA in 2005, bringing to 1,004 the total number executed since the use of the death penalty was resumed in 1977.
* Around 3,400 prisoners were under sentence of death as of 1 January 2006.
* 38 of the 50 US states provide for the death penalty in law. The death penalty is also provided under US military and federal law.
 
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Though not related only to Bush's stance on the death penalty (it also extends to the quagmire he's created in Iraq, his treatment of the homeless, children left behind by his "no child left behind act", etc), I recently saw a very nice home made "MTV" version of Pink's "Dear Mr. President" posted on YouTube. The link is here:

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I'm off on one now - we do have a de facto death sentence. Amnesty International reports that over 1000 people have died in police custody in the UK with not a single police office successfully convicted in relation to these deaths. Allow the buggers to do it legally and we'll all pay the price.
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I'm off on one now - we do have a de facto death sentence. Amnesty International reports that over 1000 people have died in police custody in the UK with not a single police office successfully convicted in relation to these deaths. Allow the buggers to do it legally and we'll all pay the price.

Makes you wonder why some Sunday newspapers are more
interested printing 9 pages about how some fat, ugly politician
shagged his secretary.

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Frankly, compared with Tony Blair's appallingly bent fund raising and the high level if incompetance in the cabinet, Prescott is an irrelevance. And the thought of him on the job is truly disturbing.
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Personally I'd torture the [email protected] myself first before getting down to the business of the execution.
You've just shown your real feelings...revenge and nothing more. This is exactly why we shouldn't have a death penalty.

By your own thinking you would be next in line after torturing the accussed

Whilever there is one miscarriage of justice we should never have a death penalty in the "civilised" world...which then casts doubt on certain aspects of the US

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I don't believe in the death penalty, on moral grounds and for the reason that there's no going back after a **** up. However, I think there should be harsh, and I mean harsh, regimes for prisoners serving time for particularly bad crimes. If their time in prison is hell and they wish they were dead, tough sh*t! Oh, and life should mean life!
 
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Car thieves would get it 'n all
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People sending out all that SPAM
should have harsh prison sentances
too. And have all their money/homes/cars
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...and people who cut me up evey morning on the Tesco roundabout...hangings too good for them!

...and while we're at it, people who drive Nissan Micras...hung, drawn and quartered

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....Just posted a long reply which may have timed-out or came up as invalid thread or something or other. Anyway here's a shortened version as I'm not going there twice.

We all know Bush is no saint, even before he was elected we were told he would take the US and possibly their allies to war, but he is a christian who prays to God everyday or so he says, how do you work that one out. ?

I firmly believe that you can live in a civilised country that carries out the death penalty, the country will be a lot more wealthy for it.

I'm fully aware that the death penalty is no deterant, miscarriages of justice either genuine or through corruption etc etc etc have resulted in much regretable innocent deaths, but I still know that there are some criminals that are not mad, they have admitted their crimes, and they have said they will re-offend on their release, for these few they must pay the ultimate price.

Wrinx, you have me painted as some large black hooded medieval executioner with the biggest chopper out there (trying to keep it clean ) but you have me wrong. What we must realise is that no one can even begin to understand what those two girls went through that night, possibly the police officers who visited the scene or recovered her body may get close and my guess is they would be in favour of returning the death penalty because of this. Would you be of the same opinion if that girl was your daughter heaven forbid this. ?

You say I would be next in line for killing these people but you misunderstand me, I am talking legalised execution where the Govt. appoints an executioner to carry out the killing legally, Albert Pierrepoint, our last executioner hung god knows how many murderers and he died in the 90's I believe, when he started he firmly believed in hanging but before he retired he was against it.

What I have learned from this thread is that there are so many other avenues to address before this could ever be introduced and this is why I'm of the opinion it will never be brought back.

The British public (IIRC 75-80%) would vote this back like a shot but it is the politicians who would never allow us this vote as they know it would be reintroduced and for any government not just the current one it would be a minefield.

Finally I say, Hang them, shoot them, electrocute them, inject them, gas them or whatever when they have addmitted it, DNA and forensics point to irrefutable evidence against them, they say they will do the same again on release, and if the families of the victims want to choose which way they go let them choose.

I dont mind my taxes going to any worthwhile causes but it annoys me when my money is keeping lowlife such as these and others in luxury some might say, read an article last week on Belmarsh Prison, apparently its a hellish existance for the prison officers that work there but a life of luxury if your'e an inmate, and if your'e a "celebrity inmate" there's no limits .

Six men get 27 yrs. each but in real terms they'll probably never get out, all in early 20's. Cost of keep I'd say a conservative 75k a year each. Lets say they live to be 75, do the maths and you will arrive at a very very big number with lots of 0's on the end of it.

I wish we could just do the sensible thing. !!!!!!. I bet if you asked any of the six and gave them the figures they'd say "ok then lets get it over with", providing they had a modicum of inteligence that is.
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I do hear you Ascari, and I can see a lot of your points.

However, there is no evidence whatsoever that the girl's deaths (or indeed others) would have been saved by the death penalty. The crime would still have been committed. Most Criminal do not think they will get caught so any penalty is not relevent to them.

I personally would have a far harsher regime for murderers, no parole for starters, no Sky, computers, visitors, 2 hours exercise a day then on your jack jones in a cell. they reject societys values by the nature of their crimes so should be stripped of its pleasures and benefits.
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I dont mind my taxes going to any worthwhile causes but it annoys me when my money is keeping lowlife such as these and others in luxury some might say, read an article last week on Belmarsh Prison, apparently its a hellish existance for the prison officers that work there but a life of luxury if your'e an inmate, and if your'e a "celebrity inmate" there's no limits .

Six men get 27 yrs. each but in real terms they'll probably never get out, all in early 20's. Cost of keep I'd say a conservative 75k a year each. Lets say they live to be 75, do the maths and you will arrive at a very very big number with lots of 0's on the end of it.

I wish we could just do the sensible thing. !!!!!!. I bet if you asked any of the six and gave them the figures they'd say "ok then lets get it over with", providing they had a modicum of inteligence that is.


Hmm... if wastage of money is your issue, try and look
at all the huge corporations that get away with paying
jack-**** in taxes every year. Even though they are making
HUGE profits. (Newscorp for one.) (Mostly showing
voyeristic crime shows, by coincidence.)

The amounts you are talking about are NOTHING
in comparison with corporate fiddles at the tax payers'
expense.

If all that tax was collected then maybe we could
use it to build the type of prisons that these crims. deserve:
Secure, cheap, drug fee and easier to work in for the prison staff.
 
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Just think what you're saying. You want to kill people because it's too expensive to keep them alive. I reckon you need a serious period of reflection.
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I once had an office in what was once a condemned cell. Pretty weird working in there on your own before dawn / after dusk I can tell you. I also used to sunbathe at lunch on the grass above where the executed were buried!!

I'd vote bring it back BTW. A good way of saving taxes & limiting the ever growing Prison population. Build gallows not prisons I'd say ;-)
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....Michael, I agree totally and you make a good point about rejecting society's values.

Nev, money is probably my main issue and I'm sure all your points are valid but I do feel more concerned about the cost of keeping not just these criminals but all who we all know are beyond help and rehabilitation.

Wordsmythles, I'm afraid you just can't make it as simplified as you say, these are not just ordinary people, if it were one who committed this crime you could say or argue he may be insane, when you have six perpetrators can you come to the same conclusion ? What is the likelihood that if they hadn't been caught do you think they would have done this again, think really hard and I'm sure I know what your'e answers would be.
How long do you suggest my period of reflection should be on this issue, I think 30 years would be long enough which represents the time I became eligible to vote up to my present age, when you hold a belief that long you are going to find me hard to win over.

SB, just one gallows would do for me, I'm sure thats all we would need.

Can I just finally add that I was born Church of England, a christian but not a practising one as I don't go to church on a Sunday but I don't think this makes me a bad person. I've been in trouble with the police once, for breaking a neighbours window playing football in the street when I was 12 years old. I got a clip round the ear from the copper who terrified me as he was about 6'6" and that was the end of it.

They say that todays bully is the futures' murderer and there are those who would say if we brought back Corporal Punishment in schools this and many other crimes like it might never happen, I don't know about that but it never done me any harm, and thats going off topic into another thread so time to shut up. !!

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I'm off on one now - we do have a de facto death sentence. Amnesty International reports that over 1000 people have died in police custody in the UK with not a single police office successfully convicted in relation to these deaths. Allow the buggers to do it legally and we'll all pay the price.
So its the police officers fault that peolpe in the cells break the law and get arrested!!! 80% of the time they are smashed out of there head on drink and quite a few are on drugs.

Now heres the problem leave them on the street and they attack innocence people and chances are they will die in some dark hole somewhere. Bring them in and they are watched at least every 15 mins or sometimes constantly but when you are in that much of a state some peolpe will die end of story! Don't you think more people would die if it was not for the treatment recieved in police stations...YES!

Try telling the victims of crime at the hands of these people that they should not be locked up, if someone dies because of there own stupid actions the blame should not be cast elsewhere.

There are always stories of bad behaviour but compared to the amount of peolpe every night in police cells and the behaviour of those peolpe they are few and far between.

Death penalty . . . . if there is unquestionble proof then for the most serious crimes IMO yes, there are to many re offends where innocence peolpe get killed for my liking.

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We all know Bush is no saint, even before he was elected we were told he would take the US and possibly their allies to war, but he is a christian who prays to God everyday or so he says, how do you work that one out. ?
With regard to Bush’s supposed Christianity:

As a committed Christian, I am ashamed and appalled at the things Bush does in the name of my religion as well. My reading of the bible is that we are supposed to be living lives based on love, humility, forgiveness and helping others (he does none of these!). It also says that we will be judged by our actions rather than our words and that you know what kind of tree has been planted by the fruit it bears (and the fruits of Bush’s actions makes it very clear what his values are). Bush got into office and into war by making the average American afraid of Iraqis, Islam and gays (to name a few), and has spent the past 5 years pushing around and ignoring the values and opinions of other countries, ignoring the plight of the poor, the homeless, and the sick, while at the same time doing everything in his power to help the rich and the well connected. Who did Jesus spend time with? Who did he care about? The rich? The powerful? Absolutely not – for the most part, these were the people that he was upset with. No, Jesus spent his whole short life reaching out to and having compassion on the sick, the poor, the prostitutes, the tax collectors, and those of other religions.

With regard to whether or not I would still be against the death penalty if one of my family members were raped or killed, this is a very ironic question since it echoes the exact question that helped Bush Sr. to come from behind to defeat Dukakis and become president. Dukakis was actually asked the same question during one of the debates and made the foolhardy mistake of admitting that even in such a horrible circumstance he would try to uphold the sanctity of life and would not seek the death penalty. Bush and the press had a field day, and hung him out to dry, with Bush putting out a series of hate commercials regarding a black rapist named Willie Horton, who was released from prison while Dukakis was governor, and then went on to rape and kill a white woman. Using fear and prejudice, Bush was able to paint Dukakis as weak and went on to win the presidency, and since then, not one major political candidate (including Bill Clinton), has ever dared to oppose the death penalty.

Fortunately, I am not a politician and need to worry about being re-elected (and actually even if I were, my answer would still be the same) – life, every life is precious, and I would be as opposed to the death penalty for a 911 terrorist (if any were caught) as I would be for someone who hurt a member of my own family. I am not saying that people who commit horrible crimes should get light sentences, be released from jail early, or have a life of leisure in jail, but I am saying that society should value their life even if they don’t value others or even their own.

Also, there is always the chance that a prisoner will begin to regret and repent of their actions and want to somehow do something positive while in jail (I don't think that revenge and punishment should be the only goals of imprisonment - rehabilitation should be just as important, though talk like that in the States might get ya lynched!) .

Without getting into the issue of the worth of a religious conversion might be for a prisoner (didn't the guy on one of the crosses next to Jesus repent just before he died?), I can think of lots of good secular examples of why life sentences are preferable to the death penalty. I remember when I was about 10 (34 years ago!), I saw a documentary at school called “Scared Straight”. It was shot at New Jersey’s Rahway State Prison and was made at the request of a few prisoners who had been jailed for life for murder and other horrendous crimes. In it, they went on and on about how badly they felt about their actions, how they knew that they could never take back the terrible things they had done, and described in detail how horrible spending life in a State penitentiary was. They were clear that they didn’t make this documentary because they wanted a lighter sentence (most said they were getting exactly what they deserved), in fact, the reason they made it was to show to other criminals who were in jail for shorter sentences and lighter crimes in order to try and convince them to repent of their life of crime and to reform before it was too late.

I understand and respect other people’s opinions on this topic, but I just feel very strongly about the sanctity of life (anyone's), and couldn’t not say my own opinion. My apologies in advance to anyone I may have offended by saying things so straight...
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...no need for any apology to me Charlie, I respect your views and opinions and I'm sure most others here do too.

That documentary must have made an impact on you, I've watched similar programmes on TV over here, its difficult to understand how these inmates can think like that after what they have done.

If I can make a comparison, Ted Bundy, the perfect psychopath, abducted raped and killed approx. 30 young girls who were mostly college students, you could have lived next door to him and wouldn't have suspected his involvement at all. Some say he may have been responsible for killing up to 150 women possibly even more. Then you have Dennis Nilsen, also the perfect psychopath, a homosexual killer who was so lonely he picked up drifters from gay bars in London took them home to bed for the night but when they wanted to leave he killed them by strangulation and drowning or both. Again he lived in a flat and his neighbours knew and suspected nothing. He killed 16 young men who were at first washed and dressed and placed in a chair as if watching TV while he went to work for the day. On his return he would undress the body, wash it and get it ready for bed, he would sleep with the corpse for a number of days until decomposition started to take hold and it started to smell, then he would dismember it and get rid of the remains.

To me Bundy was Bad but Nilsen was Mad, Bundy knew the police were onto him but he just couldn't stop himself as one killing was fueling the next. Nilsen on the other hand admitted his crimes within 15 mins of the police visiting his home, he said he was "killing for company" as he couldn't hold down a relationship. In short Bundy deserved to die in my opinion and Nilsen got life with a recomendation he serves at least 25 years, I suspect that had Nilsen committed his crimes in America he would have fried like Bundy.

Nilsen's time is up incidentally in approx. 2 years but our home secretary has to allow his release so who knows if he will be freed, if he does get out I'm of the opinion he would be no threat and sparing his life would have been just and correct. If Bundy got life and was then released I wouldn't be so sure, he is best where he is in my view.

Do you know of the Gary Gilmore case in Utah, what is your view on him and his case, I know your feelings on this but I'm interested to know how you would have dealt with him.

I'll be as polite as you and apologise if what I've said offends you but I do feel so strongly about this.
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