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View Poll Results: How do we all feel about the minimum wage ?
Raise it 11 28.95%
Keep it 20 52.63%
Lower it 1 2.63%
Scrap it 4 10.53%
Other - why would there be an other ? 2 5.26%
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Raise it,

bit like Turkey's voting for Christmas.....
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Scrap it - People will always be payed their worth.
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Leave it as it, it's there to stop Unscrupulous employers paying folk a pittance
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Leave it as it, it's there to stop Unscrupulous employers paying folk a pittance
I bide by the rules, there are others that don't. I just think the rules need changing.
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Raise it, and use the extra revenue from the extra tax earned from the increase to give smaller firms* a tax break to help them cope with the raise.


* there shoudl be a threshold on operating profit - not turnover
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Scrap it - People will always be payed their worth.
in an ideal world/country you ar right, but there are companies out there who will just milk it and get away with paying lower wages when they shoudln't
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Someone over 21 and working 40 hours per week on basic minimum wage is getting less than £250 per week £12.7K per annum

From which they ahve to pay Tax and Ins etc. which doesn't leave them alot to live on.

Someone over 21 and not working at all can get a similiar amount to live on.

I say lower benifits to encourage more people to work even at basic minimum wage.

There are lots of basic minimum wage jobs, albeit the less attractive ones, unfulfilled.

Only when the unemployed is down to very little can have the minimum wage increased.

Just my opinion of course having experienced both good (£50K+) and minimum wages but never being unemployed.

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Having now read the other thread I do understand your dilemma Howell, but I still feel that we need minimum standards in all walks of life to benefit everyone.
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I say lower benifits to encourage more people to work even at basic minimum wage.

There are lots of basic minimum wage jobs, albeit the less attractive ones, unfulfilled...

Just my opinion of course having experienced both good (£50K+) and minimum wages but never being unemployed.
People who suggest reducing benefits generally haven't experienced trying to live on them.
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I accept that at the moment, to survive, your business must keep costs down but If you are only prepared to pay £6.08/hr then you are expecting the taxpayer to subsidise your business. Yes?

Someone on MW, currently £6.08/hr, (for a 35 hr week) would earn just about £11000 pa before tax & NI. Could YOU live on that?
Look at it this way - marginal income- if your employee on MW works one hours o/t at basic rate they would receive what £4.13 after tax & NI. One hours work would barely pay for a pint in some areas of the country.

I say the Government should raise MW significantly but stop paying all benefits* to employees (housing/breeding/ WFTC etc). A full time worker on MW should be able to actually live on that income alone.






*Total benefits paid (to anyone eg unemployment / disability etc) should not be more than 75% of the net wages that a full time worker on MW would receive.
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Keep it, and raise it every year in line with inflation.

If a job doesn't pay enough for someone to live on then it isn't a proper job.
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Total benefits paid (to anyone eg unemployment / disability etc) should not be more than 75% of the net wages that a full time worker on MW would receive.
IMO This type of total benefit payment is far fairer to everyone who is actually working full time and contributing to society

As for the actual percentage less, this is open to debate.

If someone 21+ working full time on MW takes home say £190 per week then the maximum total benefit payment for somebody 21+ should be no more than say £180

If we keep on paying out to more and more whilst fewer people are paying in then we could end up like Greece and that situation would be of no benefit to the likes of Howell whatsoever.
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Other... because I can't decide. I don't agree with the minimum wage on some levels, because I agree there should be an element of market forces but understand people need to be paid a fair wage for a fair days work... I do wonder if there should be a link to minimum wage and company profit perhaps as a form of shares/dividend....
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howell just do what many blue chips are doing and place an advert in the dole office for 'Back to work' and the tax payer will pay you £70 a week just for having this person on your books while dole paying them an extra £15 a week and you don't have to pay them a penny! I thought slave labour was illegal? And to top it all you don't even have to give them a job at the end of the 16 weeks programme, you just need to begin the process all over again.
So, take on 10 people and the tax payer will pay you £700 a week and you don't have to pay the poor souls a penny, infact you don't even have to offer them a job!

Its a bloody disgrace, pay a man/woman a fair days pay for a fair days work.

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I usually agree with Howell on a lot of things but with this he's just being a stingy ginge
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I usually agree with Howell on a lot of things but with this he's just being a stingy ginge
Maybe you get me wrong. I have two lads in the workshop doing much the same job. One turns up early, stays late and works hard (and well). I've got no problems paying this guy £10 an hour (which is over the rate for what he does, but he's worth it). The other, turns up 5-10 mins late every day, sods off early, reads the paper and disappears out the fire door for a fag at every opportunity. I begrudge paying this bloke minimum wage and wish I didn't have to !
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Then fire him.
That's where employment law comes in !
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That's where employment law comes in !
Why. He isn't doing his job. Give him warnings about his lateness. If he fails to sort it out then that is grounds for firing.
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That's where employment law comes in !
Written warning for persistant lateness and skiving off followed by another one in a few weeks then after another week fire him
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Then I'd have to go through the recruitment and training again.

What annoys me is he used to pull his weight, but slacked off when he left his missus.
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Then I'd have to go through the recruitment and training again.

What annoys me is he used to pull his weight, but slacked off when he left his missus.
Give him the warning anyway, might make him pull his finger out
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He's had a formal warning (off MrsH) and he shrugged his shoulders, accepted it and reverted to normal.
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