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View Poll Results: In or out of the EU?
Stay in the EU 19 47.50%
Get out of the EU 21 52.50%
Other (because there has to be one) 0 0%
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EU referendum, the big one.

It will probably never happen, but if there was a referendum on the UK's continued membership of the EU how would you vote?

Trade, security and other important links would stay.

There is a lot of pressure on the government at the moment for a referendum.
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I would vote to leave. There is this scaremongering that trade would collapse if we werent in. When Switzerland decided against the EU, and Norway, did their industries collapse?!
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I'd stay in because the whole point of the EU was to stop wars in Europe, and its been remarkably successful in doing that.

I'd vote for Scottish Independence but I'd like Scotland to be part of the EU.

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I'd vote for the UK to leave.

Would stop the wingeing and would be a laugh 15-20 years down the line
when they could televise a kind of DeathRace 2000/Escape From New York
reality show from the ashes that was GB.


(I'd have to take French nationality, but hey, we all have to make sacrifices. )



Edit: Wonder what the Tabloids would lie/moan about with the UK out
of the EU....?

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Stay in. I like it and would like a job over in Brussels in about 12 months
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I don't think the single currency has much to do with stopping wars. Look at the genocide in the former Yugoslavia in the mid 90s, did they have different currencies during or before that unpleasantness?

The Dollar is used all over the world by all sorts of gun toting, murdereous crooks and factions with a cause. Them all using the dollar doesn't stop them killing each other. All those drug smuggling, extortion racket Mexicans leaving the heads of kids on spikes use the Dollar don't they?


The single currency is a political pet project that they bent the rules to achieve. It's like pretending that ropey used car you've just bought and had the MoT done at some garage 30 miles away that's known for being a bit lax on standards is probably all OK and not concern yourself as you and your family whizz down the M-way at 80 mph in it.

They were on about Iceland joining it last week on the World Service. Isn't their economy in recovery? Do they want to share their fishing grounds? 80% of their trade is fish?

It's a political pet project. Look at the vote in Eire. 'Whoops, you voted the wrong way there, try again and see if you can get it right next time'.

Two things from the Today programme earlier. One was when they were talking about the Tory conference and someone said 'We get all these regulations from Europe and then here in the UK we copperbottom the things and make them stricter.' The other was a Greek politician saying they're not cutting hard enough of quick enough saying that rather than making Civil Servants redundant they're getting towards the target by making the ones that would be retiring anyway retire a few months early.

I've just put R4 on for PM, it's the end of the religious discussion show. They're on about Ireland and the Catholic church and the Pope and Vatican have less influence in Ireland and women having more of a say in the Catholic church in Ireland.

They're on about talking to the Hakani network in Pakistan to talk and be at the table for the withdrawal or peace process in Afghanistan. Seems they could be just making mayhem as there's a seat at the table and they need to ensure they get their cut.

So Ireland is seeking to reduce the influence or control of the Catholic church, gun toting thugs that were our hired hands to attack the Russians in Afghanistan need to be talked to so we can extricate ourselves from Afghanistan and yet we give so much control to a small group of people whose hobby is politics in Brussels?

Democracy is so important for Johnny Foreigner everywhere else in the world and we have little say in what happens here handing it over to a load of hobbyist politicians in Brussels?

Politicians? They're not all that are they?

How many more examples do we need before we realise they're just clowns in suits and motorcades?

Brown signed us up to the Lisbon Treaty without a vote, and the coalition won't give us a vote on it now. Where's the democracy in that?

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I'm feeling sorry for Greece and the Greeks.

Many of those that turned a blind eye, or cooked the books to allow them to join the single currency aren't Greek and knew it was dodgy but letting them join fitted their bigger objective.

How long before the Germans fed up at funding Greece will realise that it wasn't just Greece or Greeks that allowed it to happen? Perhaps they realise it's not only the fault of the Greeks, but it's just easier more convenient to make it about Greece and the Greeks than the others that are just as responsible?
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I feel sorry for the Germans. This is the 3rd time they have tried to take over Europe, and yet again it looks like it will fail.



Seriously though, I would vote to leave. We seem to get all of the bad parts of being in the EU, but none of the benefits. And what right do unelected bureacrats have to make laws that affect us?

As for it stopping wars in Europe, I think Nuclear weapons can take some of the credit for that.
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I would vote to stay.
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I've just spent an hour watching Traffic Cops.

So we can catch drunk drivers and fibbers but global economic meltdowns, ill thought currency convergences and illegal wars are things that just happen on their own and nobody caused them or is responsible?

Aren't those responsible just as bad as the uninsured, non seatbelt wearing drivers in the back of the police car? 'Me Guv, no guv, nothing to do with me innit......
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The Balkans were not in the EU !

Its about the EU this poll not the Euro currency

I dont disagree with all of your points just most of them... good rant though.

"How many more examples do we need before we realise they're just clowns in suits and motorcades?"

Whats your alternative?
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I would vote to leave.

The UK could still trade with the EU if we left the organisation, just as every other country in the world is able to do now, would still be able to travel freely within the EU as there are no borders within the EU countries, not have to spend billions to help prop them up and be able to make our own laws again (this is an important one).
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we could trade... but tarrifs would be applied ...

we could travel, but visas would pehaps be required... borders still exist, customs posts were removed...

We can and do make our own laws... in fact even us Scots can make our own laws within the UK.

1/10 must try harder.
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we could trade... but tarrifs would be applied ...

we could travel, but visas would pehaps be required... borders still exist, customs posts were removed...
Neither of this applies to Switzerland or Norway. If tarriffs were applied they would be in both directions, so the EU would also export less to the UK as would the UK would export less to the EU. Not beneficial for either party to apply tarriffs IMO, if the UK left the EU. I doubt visas would be required, again Switzerland & Norway are both good examples. You don't need a visa to travel to Botswana so I can't imagine the French or Spanish are going to want to decimate their UK tourism trade by making them a prerequisite to travel.

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I think a lot of the problem about the EU is that the UK sticks to the letter of all their legislation. Other countries seem to comply with what they feel makes sense and ignore the rest. Maybe we should take a leaf out of their book.
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For me, i'd stay in the EU but always stay out of the Euro.
Let's face it, the Eurozone are our largest trading partners!
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I was made redundant as a direct result of not being in the euro - we simply couldn't provide a stable trading price to our largest customer in Germany, as a result they went to the Italians who being in the Euro, could..
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I was made redundant as a direct result of not being in the euro - we simply couldn't provide a stable trading price to our largest customer in Germany, as a result they went to the Italians who being in the Euro, could..
I think you may have been an exception.

the fact that we are not in the Euro has helped many people stay in work. Our currency has been devalued which makes our exports cheaper, and our manufacturing grow. We couldn't do that if we were in the Euro.

British Exports Hit A Record High - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Finance

The fact that we are not in the Euro has certainly helped where I work.
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I'm exporting more than ever to Europe as well.
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The problem is though we are not a Manufacturing Economy, the only real exports we have as a country are services. If you feel that devaluing the currency was a good idea then look at your cost of living compared to 5 years ago, when the strong pound meant we could import oil, gas, cars etc etc much cheaper than we can now. We have been hoodwinked and a short term/blinkered fix sought and implemented. Its going to get much worse trust me, when the true solution was to start raising interest rates and maintaing value and weeding out those debts that need weeding out.

Our only saviour in the € zone was the fact that we still had the , yet that one strength has been effectively urinated against the wall by devaluation and in the near future high/hyper inflation the biggest enemy of an import economy.

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I've no say in this, being a foreigner and living abroad, but I am watching with fascination

(I've not voted "Other" neither )
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There was a chappy (some kind of lord) who has published a book on the UK economy and was on the local radio today.

He said if we left the EU the EU & UK govermemt would set up free trade agreements within 24hrs for starters as they need us as much as we need them.
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If i was Germany i would be leaving the EU or at least demanding the 'Mark' back.
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Out.

I am sure it would be tough for a while, but things would improve.
Every thing that we did would be for our benefit or fault, not someone in Brussels.

Oh, by the way, OUT.

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