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Would You Work For an Immoral Company?

My mate has just text me to say that he's starting a new job.

I'll not say name of the company that he's going to be working for, but they're a rapidly growing chain, that specialise in home goods, sold on credit. They target the poorer sections of our community and those with poor credit ratings, and flog them high end expensive goods for 'affordable monthly repayment' (including of course 30% APR)

Now i've been looking into this company, and their business practice, and I'm far from impressed. Agressive and abusive staff, immoral working practice, denial of statutory consumer law, constant cold calling, refusal to sell goods without the customer also taking out an insurance policy (which only covers the cost to the company - does not guarantee replacement goods ) bully boy tactics when a customer gets in arrears, and illegal forced entry of homes to reposess goods

I also found an example of their 'fair and competative pricing' in an article online:

ACER Gemstone Laptop for sale at ******** - 896.25.

Paid for over 2 years at 19.48 per week using their credit deal, total cost- 2,025.93

Typical High Street price - 599.00

On-Line price (Simply-Acer.com) - 449.00



Now I'm really in a quandry over this, because I HATE immoral practice like this (especially hounding people who've found themselves in debt and are on the poverty line, as the company target consumer is) but my mate is really happy to have this great new job.


So would you happily work for a company like this? Or would the unethical approach to their sales make you look elsewhere?

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Not a chance.... But that could be because I'm lucky enough to work for myself.
But if I really had to support my family, and there was no other choice... Then who knows.
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I would hate every minute of it if I were desperate enough to have to take the job.

Sadly this type of company will see massive growth over the next few years as people find it more difficult to fund their latest non essential goods purchase.

There are other less obvious organisations out there just as devious with our money. See my thread about Paypal for instance.
 
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As above really, if I needed a job and there was no alternative then I would, but if I had a choice I wouldn't.
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I have seen on TV people who use these companies and are grateful for the fact that they let them have credit for essential goods that they wouldn't get any other way. A single mum who needs a new washing machine for instance.

The other factor to consider is that they deal with some customers who are at the very bottom of the respectibilty pile that would think nothing of cheating and stealing from any company that that they buy from.

Sadly some nice but down on their luck families suffer from the way that dealing with such people dictates.
 
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I've said no, but it's easy for someone in my position who has never been out of work.
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No, not happily, but circs can sometimes necessitate drastic measures..
A friend of mine has just bailed his niece out of one of these "log-book" loans. She borrowed £3000; repayment is scheduled at £50 per week for three years - work that one out! It's not illegal, all properly stated in the Ts&Cs, but I find it horrendous that people can get into such a muddle that they have to resort to this kind of borrowing. There will always be people ready to prey on that kind of desperation.
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It's a no brainer - even if you are desperate for work - I can't see that taking a job which pushes poorer people further past the poverty line as something that I would feel comfortabel - even if I was desperated to makes things meet myself.

Easy to say because I have never been in that situation..

But somethings just are not right - and these company's in my view are scum - they prey as you say on the most vulnerable of our society - and make their lives even harder.



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I once worked for an engineering company ho had a habit of giving us drawings with the name of the component blanked out so we had no idea of the application of what it was we were making. I know a lot of stuff I made was for defense and aerospace and was quite proud of the fact I have worked on stuff that has gone into space.

One day I actually got hold of the original drawings for somehting I was making, it turned out to be a Brimstone Missile Assembly System. At that point I got a little ****ed off about what work the company would undertake.

I've worked on the Eurofighter and other Defense things but never before had I worked on something that was specifically aimed at killing people
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GD I am sure serving personnel appreciate that if for any reason - their position is about to be over run with heavy armour - that calling in close air support that a missile such as this is part of the armoury

Take a different angle on it




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I would not be happy working for such a company and I wouldnt no matter what the circumstances. However, this company does provide a service to people who cant get credit and want instant gratification ie ''I want that and I want it now!''. These companies feed on peoples need to have the latest consumer good now.

There are other ways I know some of these people cannot access mainstream credit and therefore end up paying extortionate rates of interest they could join a credit union they enable tenants and others with bad credit records to access affordable credit; very simply you have to be saving before you can borrow. it does require a bit of dicipline but its loads better than 'log book loans', pawn brokers and door step lending.

What many people dont realise is that if they are in the financial **** its often better to go to court as the interest is frozen and affordable repayments are set by the court, so if a creditor threatens court the debtor if they are really overburdened should say ''bring it on''. Not easy I know.

My company has values such as openess, honesty, caring etc and generally does pretty well at living up to them, however, very occassionally whilst these values are extended to the customer they have been 'suspended' in isolated instances towards the staff which is disappointing. but not surprising.

With regard to immoral companies its not just ''companies'' that are immoral. HMG can be pretty bad and i suspect some civil servnats have had to wrestle with their consciences when they have seen ''certain things''.

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Like every one else I'd not work for a company like that but I do work for a Company that makes the HUD circuit boards for the Tyhpoon and the Boards for the Paveway smart bomb.

I suppose that means it's an immoral company cos it makes components for stuff that kills people
 
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I suppose that means it's an immoral company cos it makes components for stuff that kills people
I look at it totally differently - I can't say why it involves me personally - but if you are part of the development of weapons then you have to look at it as defending lives....

If Gov't choose to use them to kill people, where defence is not the option for use...then is it your fault??

Another tilt - cars are designed to the hilt to protect the driver/passengers and other vehicles if they were to crash....etc.

But if someone chooses to go nuts and runs over a crowd or people - should people involved with the production of the car feel responsible?


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It is a shame that the poll isn't public - so I can see if it was Nomad that said yes...

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It could be argued that I do
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i couldn't work for an immoral company. It goes against every fibre in my body. Esp if it was a company that made big profit from driving the already vulnerable into further debt...a combined debt that then ultimately affects us all (thinking here of the sub-prime market, the credit crunch etc).

The only circumstances under which I work for them would be to rumble them, whistle-blower style.

I detest greedy companies that use bully-boy tactics to pray on the vulnerable. It's not just the poor they pick on, but the old too, and means people like my nan who's faculties aren't as sharp as they once were and who could be schmoozed easily by a 'lovely young man, kept me chatting for ages and I enjoyed his company, and on reflection maybe I do need a new roof'.

Few things wind me up as much as dishonest practice that in a nutshell, robs people and screws them over. No, I couldn't work for these *******os. They are part of the problem their customers are trying to get out of. And I couldn't feed/fuel that.

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Like every one else I'd not work for a company like that but I do work for a Company that makes the HUD circuit boards for the Tyhpoon and the Boards for the Paveway smart bomb.

I suppose that means it's an immoral company cos it makes components for stuff that kills people
No thats fine the Typhoon is the coolest things out there at 45000 feet - I want a go in one. oh yes I do.
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Having worked for a finance company that used to charge very high APRs I couldn't do it again.

One Friday I found myself about 1k short of my target with only the weekend to go before the end of the month. To have missed the target would have meant I missed out on a bonus, and possibly got a bollocking.

Anyway I rang a lead, which turned out to be an elderly lady on a fixed income and she needed 1500 for new central heating, so I flogged her a loan, which with all the charges the company loaded on worked out at about 45% APR. Bang, bonus sorted and bollocking avoided.

But I felt like ****. I went home, opened a bottle of scotch & got drunk.

Monday I went in, handed in my notice & rang the old lady & told her not to sign the finance papers when they arrived because I'd basically ripped her off.

I was out of work for 9 months but I felt like that was serving some kind of penance

Never again.

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Having worked for a finance company that used to charge very high APRs I couldn't do it again.

One Friday I found myself about 1k short of my target with only the weekend to go before the end of the month. To have missed the target would have meant I missed out on a bonus, and possibly got a bollocking.

Anyway I rang a lead, which turned out to be an elderly lady on a fixed income and she needed 1500 for new central heating, so I flogged her a loan, which with all the charges the company loaded on worked out at about 45% APR. Bang, bonus sorted and bollocking avoided.

But I felt like ****. I went home, opened a bottle of scotch & got drunk.

Monday I went in, handed in my notice & rang the old lady & told her not to sign the finance papers when they arrived because I'd basically ripped her off.

I was out of work for 9 months but I felt like that was serving some kind of penance

Never again.

NWS Bank by the way, part of the Bank of Scotland.
That wasnt an easy decsion to make; and sometimes the right decisions cost us very dearly. I hope you get back more than you lost. Well done.
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Nah it aint

this is better
you gotta be joking - the Typhoon is streets ahead in looks and performance.
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It was hard from a materialistic point of view, but not from a "moral" (for want of a better word) point of view. I just hated myself, I'd become a very ruthless person and, deep down, that wasn't me.

I've been in public service since then, including 10 years working for the MoD, which I suppose in some peoples eyes is still an "immoral" organisation, but I could see the wealth of good work that our armed forces carry out around the world and that never gets reported.

I sleep better at night now anyway.
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Like every one else I'd not work for a company like that but I do work for a Company that makes the HUD circuit boards for the Tyhpoon and the Boards for the Paveway smart bomb.

I suppose that means it's an immoral company cos it makes components for stuff that kills people
You could go work for a Jap firm.
They are legally not allowed to supply to
military ("defence" ) contracts.


BTW I'm surprised that's not NDA'd to the hilt.
 
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