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Petrol or Diesel??

In light of currently ridiculous fuel prices. Which one is 'better' to have?

Petrol is usually around £1.15/litre
Diesel is usually around £1.25/litre

It is likely that diesel will be as much as £1.50/litre by July!! However, you can expect petrol to be about £1.40/litre aswell...

Is it still worth going for the diesel? Surely they are still better for the money, as you are still getting the better economy?

So rather than choosing one over the other because you're a petrol head or diesel head.. Put some thought into it and select which you believe is better for the money.

Let's have a poll!!

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I drive a petrol and can get some pretty amazing figures from it, but i think overall you cant beat diesel for economy. Regardless of the price difference its still cheaper tank for tank.
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Much bigger gap between the 2 in SA
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Petrol all the way, I am 100% Petrolhead, not Dieselhead.

Its about 12% more expensive for diesel, so for a start you have to get 12% more MPG, Diesels also wear out tyres faster due to the torque, they are more expensive to buy secondhand, and are more expensive to service.

I don't think you could break even unless you were doing a big mileage.

Diesels tend to be more reliable though.

IMO Petrols drive better, I prefer a nice revvy engine as opposed to a lower revving one with more torque, but I appreciate others prefer it the other way around.

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diesel - but the higher miles you do the better it is with a diesel
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Must admit I prefer a petrol engine. I run both - a 2.0 TS in my 147 & a 2.0 TDi in my Seat. The Seat is quick but not as fun, but it gives about an extra 20mpg so economy wise you've gotta think about a diesel
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In auto express No 1011 which was out 2 weeks ago, one of their columnists said that they thought diesel as a road car fuel was dead. The reason being that the price is going to increase sharply even further in relation to petrol. The reason was that for enviromental reasons ships are being forced to switch to diesel from Fuel oil, and this will affect the amount of Diesel available and push the price up to £2 a litre.

I would scan in the article but I haven't got a scanner..
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heart says petrol
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Diesel. The power is more usable on todays roads.
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Petrol all day long. If I want a clattering diesel powered vehicle I'll buy a van or a MKII golf. With a farmer at the wheel.
 
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.. but i think overall you cant beat diesel for economy. Regardless of the price difference its still cheaper tank for tank.
I bought my Alfa to have fun, not for the fuel economy Petrol all the way.
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In Japan they don't sell diesel engines. Go figure.
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In Japan they don't sell diesel engines. Go figure.
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No idea because all trucks are diesel but not the road cars
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It depends on what you want. Big mileage = diesel for economy eventually.

I don't do huge miles so a petrol makes more sense (and a nicer noise!)
 
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Depends on the miles you do, the extra a diesel costs to buy and if your taxed on the CO2.
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Voted Petrol, can't run my V6 on Diesel !!!
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Id rather pay the extra (ie do less miles) with petrol than have a car that has more in common with a victorian steam engine than a car

Not that I've got anything against coal burners
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Bought mine for running costs but my GT opened my eyes as to how good diesels can be, or at least how good they can be made for very little outlay, I couldn't choose a boggo petrol over a good TDI now they are just not worth it for driving day to day.

Contrary to popular belief diesels barely cost more to service and nor do they go through tyres that much quicker than a petrol at least not as far as I could notice between my V6 and JTD.

for me its gotta be either a good petrol turbo, a big NA engine or a TDi, something with a good wallop of torque, driving without at least 220lbs of torque over a good spread is a bit dull in your average car, no sense of speed unless you're being reckless or in something under 1000kg.

I'm not against petrol in anyway, its likely I'm buying a petrol next but it'll come within the above criteria plus as it will be tracked a fair bit a screaming petrol is a better fit.

As to which is better it all depends on circumstances, on the whole for me and I'm sure the large majority diesel is better engine for day to day stuff but its not always all about that eh

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Got a diesel for the running costs, and was expecting a tractor. Blimey was i wrong, im just with the torque in the GT, and will be re-mapping soon.

I used to have a 145 cloverleaf and the running costs on that were huge 4 years ago when petrol was pence, no way i could afford it now. But it was a great drive
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Re: Petrol or Diesel??

1. Diesel Engines are more expensive to produce than petrol, thus diesel engined cars are proportionally more expensive.
2. They cost more to maintain especially as most of them are turbocharged to make them perform like petrol engines.
3. The average man in the street who drives a diesel, drives it like a petrol. Some wear out the turbo and are therefore faced with more repairs.
4. Most of them suffer from terrible turbo-lag which makes them unpleasant to drive.
5. Diesel is more expensive than petrol and the gap is widening.
6. They stink
7. They are noisy
8. They polute the atmosphere. The majority of photographic smog in big cities is caused by diesel vehicles.
9. All in all they are thoroughly unpleasant and the person who invented them should have been strangled at birth.
10. I voted for Petrol

All the above is very much IMHO and no offence to all the diesel drivers

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1. Diesel Engines are more expensive to produce than petrol, thus diesel engined cars are proportionally more expensive.
2. They cost more to maintain especially as most of them are turbocharged to make them perform like petrol engines.
3. The average man in the street who drives a diesel, drives it like a petrol. Some wear out the turbo and are therefore faced with more repairs.
4. Most of them suffer from terrible turbo-lag which makes them unpleasant to drive.
5. Diesel is more expensive than petrol and the gap is widening.
6. They stink
7. They are noisy
8. They polute the atmosphere. The majority of photographic smog in big cities is caused by diesel vehicles.
9. All in all they are thoroughly unpleasant and the person who invented them should have been strangled at birth.
10. I voted for Petrol

All the above is very much IMHO and no offence to all the diesel drivers

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I can't disagree with you personally, although I do think diesels have a place in certain applications like trucks, buses, tractors and ships.
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1. Diesel Engines are more expensive to produce than petrol, thus diesel engined cars are proportionally more expensive.
However they depreciate less, so its swings and roundabouts there.

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2. They cost more to maintain especially as most of them are turbocharged to make them perform like petrol engines.
Granted turbo's can fail and that is costly, but diesels tend to take high mileages a lot better than petrols, and they are a lot tougher. Something like head gasket failure is very rare on a diesel, as is a snapped cambelt. There are also no spark plugs to replace. Just some glow plugs, which aren't usually on the service schedule anyway, indicating that they are expected to usually last the life of the engine. My JTD used no oil, no coolant, nothing between services at all, and it costs more for an oil change on my V6 than it did on my JTD. So I would disagree with you that diesels are costlier to maintain.

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3. The average man in the street who drives a diesel, drives it like a petrol. Some wear out the turbo and are therefore faced with more repairs.
How do you drive a petrol then, as opposed to driving a diesel? Are you talking about a normally aspirated petrol? As 99% of the time I see people driving their petrol engines in the rev band that you would typically associate with a diesel engine, ie under 5,000rpm. Why own a petrol if most of the time you are barely getting up to peak torque, never mind peak power? I think the low down shove from a diesel is ideal for day-to-day driving.

Anyway, a turbo wears out due to maintenence issues rather than driving style. My JTD was sold with 122k on the clock, on its original turbo, my current daily driver, ten year old Mondeo with 146k on the clock, still on original turbo. Contrary to what some people believe they don't wear out often, if they do its usually because of a design flaw with that specific car (eg previous model BMW 320d)

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4. Most of them suffer from terrible turbo-lag which makes them unpleasant to drive.
The Mondeo I have has terrible turbo lag. No torque until 2,000rpm. However, last time I drove a 1.8 petrol it seemed there was no torque anywhere in the rev range!

My JTD didn't suffer from turbo lag though, it had masses of grunt anywhere in the rev range, and was nothing like unpleasant to drive. That tidal wave of torque is definitely just as exillerating as the revs building towards 7,000 in the V6 I drive now. Plus you can use that torque all the time


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5. Diesel is more expensive than petrol and the gap is widening.
Can't argue with that, but Mondy doesn't mind half the tank being full of cooking oil at 50p a litre..

You can't do that in a modern diesel though.

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6. They stink
The fumes aren't nice, but the fuel itself smells nice.

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7. They are noisy
I think you meant to say they sound terrible. Thats what I would have said anyway, you can't argue with the fact that diesels just don't sound as good as petrols.

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8. They polute the atmosphere. The majority of photographic smog in big cities is caused by diesel vehicles.
Petrols pollute the atmosphere too. In fact if you are using more fuel you are polluting more. It is less noticeable at ground level though, and there isn't as much NOx or particulate matter in a petrol's fumes.

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9. All in all they are thoroughly unpleasant and the person who invented them should have been strangled at birth.
Otto Diesel, and what a clever man he was

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10. I voted for Petrol
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He he, well answered mate. I must admit it was a bit tongue in cheek.
I liked the very last line
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Most recent technologial advances in engines have happened to Diesels. However with the latest generation of new technology petrols from Fiat just around the corner I wouldn't mind betting thet petrols won't be far behind diesels on the economy and performance fronts in the very near future.
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