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View Poll Results: Do You Agree That The Present Drink Drive Limits Be Reduced ?
No, They Should Stay As They Are. 26 32.10%
Yes, They Should Be Reduced To The Proposed Limits. 13 16.05%
Zero Tolerance, No Drinking And Driving At All. 42 51.85%
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Your Thoughts On The Proposed New Drink Driving Limits

Anyone got any thoughts on this ?

The proposal is to cut the limits from80mg/100ml to 50mg/100ml, about one small glass of wine or just less than a pint of standard beer.

This would obviously affect people living in rural areas.

Personally would go for zero, i.e. if you drink at all you don't drive.

This is unusual for me, I normally reject any ideas put forward by our present Government !
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Re: Your Thoughts On The Proposed New Drink Driving Limits

I'm for the zero tolerance option. I've had two friends killed by drink drivers, so maybe I'm biased.
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Re: Your Thoughts On The Proposed New Drink Driving Limits

I don't see how halving the current limit will do any more to catch the people that have no regard for the law and go out and drink '10 pints' and then drive home every weekend.
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I've no problem with a lower limit.

Reducing it to the point where you couldn't
have a drink and then drive.

Not zero though, to protect from positive
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Re: Your Thoughts On The Proposed New Drink Driving Limits

Remember that is a 1 tot, beer, glass of wine per hour and not so bad for a casual drinker.

Being in the restaurant business it has affected business badly when it went down to 50mg in SA. Wine sales went down, but light beer sales has gone up

Drinkers will drink and take a chance, no matter how low you take it
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Re: Your Thoughts On The Proposed New Drink Driving Limits

Go for "zero tolerance"

No excuse for drinking and driving
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I don't see how halving the current limit will do any more to catch the people that have no regard for the law and go out and drink '10 pints' and then drive home every weekend.
This is very true, it will not stop the hardened drink driver, Food for thought re the taking of medicines with an alcohol base too. Maybe there is more to this than a casual don't drink at all sort of ban.......
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Re: Your Thoughts On The Proposed New Drink Driving Limits

Why tempt fate: you drink, you leave the keys at home..... simple
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It's immaterial what the alcohol tolerance is, those who drink and drive, will drink and drive irrespective of whatever legislation states.
 
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I don't see how halving the current limit will do any more to catch the people that have no regard for the law and go out and drink '10 pints' and then drive home every weekend.
I agree with this.

Need to keep in perpective that drink driving is only one cause, tiredness, distraction from telephone calls, kids messing about in the back, stress, etc all cause accidents. Actually what are the stats for accidents and causes, does anyone know? Would be interesting.

It needs to be proven that a small glass of wine or normal pint DOES cause accidents and then fair enough, go for zero tolerance. It's quite possible after a stressful day that one of those could be relaxing and actually be beneficial in the journey home from work say? Don't know and not suggesting everyone do this () but we need research/evidence before applying law.

To be succint, if it's known to have a detremental effect in say even 30% of test cases - then why does such a limit even exist?

I prefer not to bother myself though and that's not to do with the fact I think I can't handle the car well enough, it just a preference thing. I do wonder though if you had a few drinks the night before, no "heavy bender", what a trace amount of alcohol would mean the next day if breathalysed, if zero tolerance came in?

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Re: Your Thoughts On The Proposed New Drink Driving Limits

We have zero tolerance on all new drivers for the first 4 years, no matter what their age, as long as they have a L or N in the back window. No one complains about that.
The rest of us have the .8, I should think that making the zero tolerance across the board would not cause any hardship to the *normal* person.
This, as has been said already, won't stop the tragic loss of life by the alcoholics of the world.

I'd have to say then, leave it like it is. Responsible people will do the right thing and not drive when drunk, we have been conditioned to accept this over the years.

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This, as has been said already, won't stop the tragic loss of life by the alcoholics of the world.
I agree with what you say CG, but I feel to term all those who are moronic enough to drive whilst under the influence of alcohol 'alcoholics' is harsh.
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I used the term alcoholics to mean anyone stupid enough to drink and drive. They are not in their right minds and even by over drinking once a week, you can be labelled an alcoholic.
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I misunderstood you CG, I do apologise
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Re: Your Thoughts On The Proposed New Drink Driving Limits

I think they should stay as they are. I don't know if there are statistics that prove, but I can't imagine it makes much difference to the average driver whether you've had 1.5 or 0.9 pints of beer. And zero tolerance is just not feasible to police.

There's a lot of driver's who are more dangerous when sober than some people are when drunk. I think the law needs to take that into account, and also needs to take into account how drunk someone is when they drove, not just whether they were over the limit or not.

Someone who has drove home after a gallon should be punished more severly than someone who has drove home after 3 pints.

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Re: Your Thoughts On The Proposed New Drink Driving Limits

Death's caused by drink drivers are on the up because traffic enforcement is by speed camera only. You need traffic cops to enforce the current standard before there is any point in reducing the limit at which you prosecute someone.
The government are considering this as it would not require an act of parliament so is a cheap and easy headline grabber.
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Go for "zero tolerance"

No excuse for drinking and driving
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Why tempt fate: you drink, you leave the keys at home..... simple
These summed up my view until a close mate got banned. He had a few beers, got a taxi home, 10 hours sleep, 11:00 the next day after a hearty breakfast he picks the car up and following a routine stop, breathalysed and banned. The official test at the station said he was only just over the limit but only just is still over. He got a 12 month ban, reduced to 9 months after doing a course.

That could be any one of the 90% of us here who think they're safe the morning after, especially after 10 hours sleep and a good breakfast. I know I'm in that boat - once the hangover's gone I think I'm safe. A zero tolerance limit would put you out of action for a good 24 hours and IMO there's far more sleepy drivers and people on phones to worry about than hunting down people with trace amounts of alcohol on their breath after yesterday's pub trip.

Another close mate of mine routinely drinks until 6 in the morning, gets 3 hours sleep and jumps in the car. Most weekends he turns up for a bike ride still absolutely steaming from his mammoth sessions. If idiots like this aren't caught, what use will lowering the limit be?

Existing traffic laws can't be enforced - just look at the number of people still using the phone whilst driving, this is going to add more pressure to the police's already stretched resources all because a government minister says "thou shalt not drink and drive at all" without fully understanding what they're saying. It's a soundbite for the sake of a headline and unworkable.
 
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Keep it as it is, nothing wrong with a lunch time pie and a pint !!!
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It's a soundbite for the sake of a headline and unworkable.
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[QUOTE=Dibby;1677297]These summed up my view until a close mate got banned. He had a few beers, got a taxi home, 10 hours sleep, 11:00 the next day after a hearty breakfast he picks the car up and following a routine stop, breathalysed and banned. The official test at the station said he was only just over the limit but only just is still over. He got a 12 month ban, reduced to 9 months after doing a course.

That could be any one of the 90% of us here who think they're safe the morning after, especially after 10 hours sleep and a good breakfast. I know I'm in that boat - once the hangover's gone I think I'm safe. A zero tolerance limit would put you out of action for a good 24 hours and IMO there's far more sleepy drivers and people on phones to worry about than hunting down people with trace amounts of alcohol on their breath after yesterday's pub trip.

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Precisely.

A very wise and factual summary.
 
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We have to be rational - there is driving when you have had a drink and driving whilst impaired. Our existing law has worked very well - A reasonable limit that sensible people can live by and rightly stringent penalties if you don't. Lowering the limit will result in sensible people being "done" on a technicality, branded as dangerous criminals when in all probability no damage, or drink related damage has occured. The real drink drivers will continue to take risks and kill people. What we need is more enforcement not a tightening of a reasonable set of rules

I might change the penalties. there would be 1 level for simply getting caught and another if you are involved in an incident.

Personally I have always stuck to a "one with food and none without rule."

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I read in a US paper last week that the smoking
ban in some US states has caused an increase
in the number of DUI accidents/deaths.

The theory is that people (especially in state border
areas where one state has and the other doesn't
have a smoking ban) are driving further to go have
a drink where they can also smoke.

 
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A zero limit is not sensible. This could mean people who were not doing anything remotely dangerous getting banned. I enjoy a pub lunch and if driving I will have no more than one alcoholic drink. This is perfectly safe IMHO.
 
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A totally zero tolerance rule is actually a real grey area if they only rely on breathalisers, since our bodies naturally produce alcohol in our system during the breakdown of foodstuffs in our stomachs.

That said, If I'm driving then I don't drink any booze at all. That way I know i'm 100% safe and legal.
If I have a skinful one night then I don't drive the next day until the afternoon, same reason as above.

It's really not that big an issue to go without a drink, if it bothers people that much, get a cab, or walk, or get a mate or partner to drive.
 
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It's really not that big an issue to go without a drink, if it bothers people that much, get a cab, or walk, or get a mate or partner to drive.
The reason why there is so much DUI
in France is down to the lack of late night
transport and the lazy robbing cab drivers who
refuse to work at night because they did a couple
of airport runs during the day and gouged
people for those.

Some spokeswoman for the recently striking
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