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Hard 1 16.67%
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Hard Remain or Soft Remain?

If there was another referendum would you go hard or soft ?


Hard Remain = Euro, Schengen, red passports, no rebate, full federalised future in Europe.

Soft Remain = What we had before.
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It's done.

Hard brexit was chosen by the Euroseptic acolytes.

England lost and now it's time to lie in the bed.


Good luck.
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Where's the "beat Fox, Johnson, Gove, May, Farage to an insensible pulp" option?
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For maximum polarisation/divisiveness on AO, we need a five option poll:
1 - Brexit Diesel
2 - Brexit Petrol
3 - Remain Diesel
4 - Remain Petrol
5 - Other


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If you are going to remain, the only sane option is hard remain, sack all the UK politicians and let the EU get on with it. Trying to organise 27 governments with conflicting fiscal and political directions is what is going to kill the current model. If it is going to survive then they need to get beyond “Germany” and “Southern Europe” and need to become fiscally and politically unified.
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If you are going to remain, the only sane option is hard remain, sack all the UK politicians and let the EU get on with it. Trying to organise 27 governments with conflicting fiscal and political directions is what is going to kill the current model. If it is going to survive then they need to get beyond “Germany” and “Southern Europe” and need to become fiscally and politically unified.
Utter tosh.
Except that for THE EUROZONE !!! they do need fiscal unity

But we aren't, weren't and have/had no intention to be part of that.

Confusing our membership of the EU with the single currency is a favoured tactic of Brexit propaganda, and at a similar level intellectually and logically to one of Donald Trumps late night tweets.

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Sure, the Eurozone needs fiscal unity yesterday - without it, there is going to be a disaster, this is the main reason I am on the leave side. But any country wanting to be part of this is better off “all in”. If there was a single political entity, I could easily be persuaded to join it on a complete basis - judged on the merits of whatever they build.
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Sure, the Eurozone needs fiscal unity yesterday - without it, there is going to be a disaster, this is the main reason I am on the leave side. But any country wanting to be part of this is better off “all in”. If there was a single political entity, I could easily be persuaded to join it on a complete basis - judged on the merits of whatever they build.
A reasonable and open-minded point of view.

I agree that monetary union without fiscal union is not sustainable long term, but I don't think this reality check will likely come in the form of a disaster. Maybe a two-speed EU? Who knows, time will tell......

The UK had a great deal as a full EU member without adopting the €, and with the exemption from 'ever closer union', we were basically having our cake and eating it.
By leaving this deal, we are needlessly exposing the UK economy to enormous costs and giving up future options and opportunities.
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