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View Poll Results: Have the changes made an improvement??
Yes, AO is now sooooo much better 12 23.53%
No, it is no longer fun to post on AO 8 15.69%
Can't say it's made a blind bit of difference 25 49.02%
Other 6 11.76%
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Has your life improved since the changes???

Have the changes introduced recently to the way chat / drivel threads
are dealt with on AO made your life on here more fulfilling ?? Or has it
made you sad. Perhaps it hasn't made the slightest bit of difference.



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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

Personally it hasn't made any difference to me as I very, very rarely contributed to the chat/drivel threads. However, listening to the arguments put forward in Darren's thread I reckon the new set-up is more of a barrier to newbies joining the fun. Long term members with small-ish post counts (<1000) might be more tempted than before to join up to get the expanded EMOT though.

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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

From a Moderator's point of view, it's much, much better.


Also from a user's point of view




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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

Let's be more succinct about this poll, we are only talking about WOT here, as some members don't actually bother with that lounge.

Or are threads in other lounges being dealt with in the same way? I ask because I haven't seen/witnessed.
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Also from a user's point of view





AND of course your post count bares witness to that in such a short time?
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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

Gibbo, I think you've got to give it more time before you can make this statement.

A few people are complaining about the "feel" of the place but I don't see them being prevented from posting

Finally, we are working on a new chat facility which will work much better than the previous one.

Of course, we also think the changes in the Tech Lounges should have made it easier for people to navigate the forum and find information more quickly.
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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

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Gibbo, I think you've got to give it more time before you can make this statement.
I thought this was a poll not a statement?


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A few people are complaining about the "feel" of the place but I don't see them being prevented from posting
Tell me how many say a "a great change to the WOT lounge and how successful it is" by those not asking and involved in the changes. Also don't belittle so many heartfelt posts here by saying the few are "complaining" etc... read why they feel they can't/don't or are unsure.

https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/rant-...-bad-idea.html

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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

I am not going to argue. No one likes changes until they realise (if they do) that things work better.

A little pragmatism would go a long way.
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I am not going to argue.
It's yet another discussion which I thought was welcome, ie feedback.


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No one likes changes until they realise (if they do) that things work better.
Do you have any idea how that sounds?


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A little pragmatism would go a long way.
My point being, I have no idea what I'm meant to be pragmatic about so cannot conform. ie new "invisible" rules and guidelines which are inconsistent as per points I made in the linked thread above? I simply have no idea what is and isn't accepted in WOT and for how long, depending on who's online moderating and what they spot or not?
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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

BF, so far I have asked a question, not made a statement.

But now I will make a statement:

You really are creating a them and us situation here chap. And you
seem to be expecting those who don't like what you are doing to
knuckle under and accept the apparant superiority of your position.

Why don't we just see what the people think?

Don't belittle the feel of this place mate, it's what brings people back.
We don't all post away to ourselves, most of us like to interact with others.
and if the feel has gone then so will they.

However, maybe that is what's desired in certain quarters. A clear out?






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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

To be fair its made no dufference to me at all.

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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

I have no intention of creating anything resembling a You and Us mentality

Far from it.


I guess I must be seeing things quite differently than a few of you.


Please do provide feedback though as that's the only way for Ian to make the right call.
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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

Seems alright to me. I only occasionally join in with the drivel anyway. The tech lounges seem more logical. But the star rating and colours need working on (you rate right to left and they appear left to right but white as chosen and blue as not is a bit wrong)
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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

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I guess I must be seeing things quite differently than a few of you.
When does the few become many?

When does it become apparent that there is a "voice" that isn't happy or unsure about changes?

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On a separate note:

Even this poll is somewhat obscure as people voting might think it's about the general changes to the forum, ie tech forum, the new ignore lounge feature etc and vote likewise. I agree, the forum changes are better in that way.

Or many will vote as they don't actually post in WOT on a regular basis and have no thoughts but say yeah, no to chat or makes no difference to them anyway -votes.


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When does the few become many?
Ah come on now. If you're going to twist everything BF says, or read things into it which were clearly not intended, then all you're going to achieve is to make him stop trying to be understanding.
Don't let paranoia get in the way of a sensible discussion of the matter.

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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

TBH honest Bazza I don't think it's paranoia and that you could be accused of twisting what K has said !

There is a growing number of unhappy 'few' here and K has just asked when does a 'few' become 'many' has he not

Lets face it... out of the many AO members it was a few that argued for the change or elimination of certain types of thread to suit their personal vision of what AO should be and yet they were listened too !!

Maybe the 'objectors' were more vocal those those who didn't give a :sw: - and could learn to ignore threads that didn't interest them by using their own judgement - and hence gave the impression that this was the general/popular consensus of Aoers !!??

And yes I know that other changes were instigated to enable the Mods to stay on top of the goings on here lately !!

But in saying that... if the Moderation force is lacking in numbers why wasn't this made more public to enable people to offer their assistance or to give an opportunity for the Moderator numbers to be increased

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PS It's a shame this isn't a public Poll so we can see who voted and if they've actually had the balls to post here after voting !!
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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

I voted! The one that mentions my white stick, I think? Can't really say it's a noticeable difference, for this old pauper pensioner.
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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

Bigfoot has said two perfectly harmless things:

"No one likes changes until they realise (if they do) that things work better"

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"I guess I must be seeing things quite differently than a few of you."

And had them both jumped on as if he's horrendously insulted the people he's discussing with. For the latter his only point is that clearly there is a difference of opinion. There is. In the former he's just pointing out that change is always looked at suspiciously at first. This is also demonstrably true.
Neither comment is in any way controversial. If you pick up on the slightest thing the person you're discussing with says and try to use them to make out that person is the Big Baddie, how can you expect them to continue conversing with you?

Just shooting yourselves in the foot.

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I voted - made no difference.

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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

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Bigfoot has said two perfectly harmless things:
"No one likes changes until they realise (if they do) that things work better"
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"I guess I must be seeing things quite differently than a few of you."
And had them both jumped on as if he's horrendously insulted the people he's discussing with. For the latter his only point is that clearly there is a difference of opinion. There is. In the former he's just pointing out that change is always looked at suspiciously at first. This is also demonstrably true.
Neither comment is in any way controversial. If you pick up on the slightest thing the person you're discussing with says and try to use them to make out that person is the Big Baddie, how can you expect them to continue conversing with you?
Just shooting yourselves in the foot.
Well that's your interpretation of this thread and comments made Bazza... a few may disagree though

K asked a question/for a point of clarification IMO !!
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Voted - for what my opinion is worth....

there has been a big change in the feel of the place....at least to the bit I visit... I only visit the tech lounge If I have cause to...and luckily for me that is rarely...the place I spend all my time on here is not the same - which is if I'm honest a bit of a bummer
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Re: Has your life improved since the changes???

Do you honestly believe that by saying 'I disagree with quite a few of you' BigFoot was deliberately patronising you all and suggesting that there weren't enough of you to matter?
That's a quite a long way away from the BF I know.

The changes make no difference to me either way, as I don't use the threads in question, either in their old or new format. I'm concerned that you may all be right, and that the changes may lead to newbies not being given a foothold into the community, but I have no idea whether you are right, and I don't think anyone has given any compelling evidence in either direction.
We were asked to give this new format a chance though - and I don't think the people who are saying it definitely doesn't work only a week in are doing that. How long did it take you (general you there, no-one specifically) to make the friendships which formed the chat threads you used to use? Why expect the friendships required for an overall chat thread to form any more quickly?
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Do you honestly believe that by saying 'I disagree with quite a few of you' BigFoot was deliberately patronising you all and suggesting that there weren't enough of you to matter?
That's a quite a long way away from the BF I know.
I believe that K was asked for clarification on a point... we don't share a similar view of this... hey ho !!

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The changes make no difference to me either way, as I don't use the threads in question, either in their old or new format. I'm concerned that you may all be right, and that the changes may lead to newbies not being given a foothold into the community, but I have no idea whether you are right, and I don't think anyone has given any compelling evidence in either direction.
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We were asked to give this new format a chance though - and I don't think the people who are saying it definitely doesn't work only a week in are doing that. How long did it take you (general you there, no-one specifically) to make the friendships which formed the chat threads you used to use? Why expect the friendships required for an overall chat thread to form any more quickly?
I think 'the people' - me included - are expressing the opinion that they think that it won't work based on our opinion/perception of how the forum has succeeded/grown to date !!

This may not aline with other's peoples views but such is life !!
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PS It's a shame this isn't a public Poll so we can see who voted and if they've actually had the balls to post here after voting !!
I voted it's made things better. Much more logical arrangement of the technical lounges.

As for everything else, I have no idea what on earth you are on on about!
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