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Should GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

I think not, because there is hardly anything thats not common between the models. I think there's more similarity, for example, between a GT 2.0 JTS and a 156 2.0 JTS than there is between a 156 2.0 JTS and a 156 2.4 JTD.

This thread is so we don't clog up the bugs thread
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Re: Shoud GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

I say no, as the whole point of having various cars in the same lounge stems from the fact they (mostly) share common platforms, which in turn will allow members with similar problems/queries to find solutions faster and more promptly, without unnecessary repetitions of items and dispersion of knowledge on the forum


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Re: Shoud GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

The GT is based on the 156 and 147 so no..


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Re: Shoud GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

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The GTA is based on the 156 and 147 so no..
I meant the GT not the GTA, as there has been a few in the announcements section asking about giving the GT a lounge of its own.

As for whether or not the GTA should be in with the 147/156/GT lounge, I think as there are so few GTA driver's and they are generally enthusiasts, they know that its worth there while posting in the 147/156/GT lounge if its a problem that is not specifically a GTA, and they use the GTA lounge when its something specific to do with the GTA.

There'd be no complaints from me though if the GTA lounge was merged with the 147/156/GT lounge as they are 99% similar.

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Re: Should GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

Uh... Finger troubled a yes, but should be a no...

GT drivers are such snobs......
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Uh... Finger troubled a yes, but should be a no...

GT drivers are such snobs......


Not exactly mature debate of a serious issue

As a GT driver I have voted yes because the GT threads I follow have just be swallowed by the 790 pages of 147/156 info.

Yes the 147 and GT have a lot in common but to subsume the GT into such a large thread group means a lot of its value has been lost - literally.

Wonder if 147 and 156 drivers would like seperate forums?



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Re: Should GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

To me it makes a lot of sense to put the 147 and the GT in the same tech lounge. Let's face it: they share a lot of parts.

And if a GT owner has an issue with, let's say Connect Nav+. Wouldn't it be logical to look it up in the 147 / 156 / GT lounge? Chances are quite large a 147 owner had exactly the same issue. And the same goes for the flashing odometer, the bose sound system etcetera.

This is exactly the reason why we put them together. If you want to find a tech solution you can concentrate your search in one lounge to locate the possible answers.
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Re: Should GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

Firstly, I still think AO is the dogs danglies for AO'ers, respect to all who help to run it
But...the thing is, it's not so much about being in a forum on its own, I admit that could be viewed by some as a bit pretentious,... it's more about the practicalities of viewing / posting model relevent threads.
In the old combined GTA / GT set up, I would think at least 50% of the posts were directly relevent to GT's, now its probably more like 5-10% with the rest only potentially relevent to GT's.
For instance, I've just viewed about 10 pages of the current set up and honestly, most of it, right now, whilst very entertaining, just is not relevent to my (thankfully reliable) GT, although as an ex-156 owner, I know how relevent all this info is to a lot of owners.
I guess in time, as the GT's get older, more of the tech posts will become relevent, I just feel at present the post balance for the existing / future GT AO'ers isn't an improvement.

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Re: Should GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

Yes, I can see to a new AO'er who may not be aware of the GT's roots and similarities to the 147 / 156 models, the grouping for search simplification is a bonus, but with a rudiment of knowledge of the site you soon get used to searching for answers in alternative forums if you can't find one in your own, this quickly ceases to be a problem.

Whereas for day to day viewing on specific model threads, GT wise at least, it has lost some of it's 'thready-ness!'

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Re: Should GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

I honestly can't think of an issue that affects a GT that doesn't affect a 147/156 besides trim issues and whistling windows. The GT should definitely be in with the 147/156 IMO..
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Re: Should GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

The GT is cobbled together out of left over bits of 147 and 156 anyway so why not?
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Re: Should GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

being new to the site & seen both sides for a short time i agree the gt threads i was following get lost ! still a great site
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Phil: Best thing you can do is subscribe to every thread you post on. That way if someone makes a response you can check without having to find the actual thread, just click on 'profile' at the top and then 'User Control Panel'
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Re: Should GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

PUD thanks but the point was i read threads every other day which i dont need to post on because by then usually there is a result to the problem ... but now gets lost with all the other threads
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Re: Should GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

It seems to make sense to me for them to be together.
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Re: Shoud GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

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I meant the GT not the GTA, as there has been a few in the announcements section asking about giving the GT a lounge of its own.

As for whether or not the GTA should be in with the 147/156/GT lounge, I think as there are so few GTA driver's and they are generally enthusiasts, they know that its worth there while posting in the 147/156/GT lounge if its a problem that is not specifically a GTA, and they use the GTA lounge when its something specific to do with the GTA.

There'd be no complaints from me though if the GTA lounge was merged with the 147/156/GT lounge as they are 99% similar.
I think you have hit an interesting point here.

Why not put GTA in with 156?

Well as you note they are more enthusiast type owners and the traffic is higher, and there is more participation from everyone.

The 156/147 forum is more hit and run in that people come to ask questions, there is a high volume and not everyone reads everything.

My opinion would be that the GT crowd are much closer to the GTA crowd than the 147/156 crowd in terms of behaviour. And as a community they function better when that sense of community is not diluted.

In fact, the GT/GTA forum that used to exist was the perfect solution IMHO as it allowed lower traffic, but moderation of both easily.

As things stand now, you still need to moderate the GTA forum. And you still need to moderate the 147/156/GT forum, so there has been no reduction in workload on this front. If its a question of moderation I am sure you could find some volunteers to help.

Playing devils advocate for a moment, why not put GTA in with the mix as well and see if there is any pushback from that subset of owners as there has been from GT?

Thanks for opening a poll though so people can express their opinions.

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I don't want to flood this thread, as it was me that was originally the voice of discontent

However I have some comments on what has been said by others.

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To me it makes a lot of sense to put the 147 and the GT in the same tech lounge. Let's face it: they share a lot of parts.

And if a GT owner has an issue with, let's say Connect Nav+. Wouldn't it be logical to look it up in the 147 / 156 / GT lounge? Chances are quite large a 147 owner had exactly the same issue. And the same goes for the flashing odometer, the bose sound system etcetera.

This is exactly the reason why we put them together. If you want to find a tech solution you can concentrate your search in one lounge to locate the possible answers.
I disagree with this, if I wanted to find a connect+ issue I would still search all forums to catch the Brera/Spider and 159 forums as its all the same tech.

Under this argument we should either have separate connect+ forums (which we sort of do now with the ICE forum), or we should put all models in one forum as they all share common parts like connect+.

This is of course just my opinion that differs from yours which is healthy in a free society

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But...the thing is, it's not so much about being in a forum on its own, I admit that could be viewed by some as a bit pretentious,... it's more about the practicalities of viewing / posting model relevent threads.
In the old combined GTA / GT set up, I would think at least 50% of the posts were directly relevent to GT's, now its probably more like 5-10% with the rest only potentially relevent to GT's.
I would agree with this 50% figure, and under this metric, the GTA forum is not big enough to survive on its own and should be integrated with 156 under the same logic, or the GT forum being as active as the GTA forum should be a separate forum. (this of course then implies 156 and 147 should as well etc etc but that's outside the scope of my concern!).

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I honestly can't think of an issue that affects a GT that doesn't affect a 147/156 besides trim issues and whistling windows. The GT should definitely be in with the 147/156 IMO..
I can. The infamous boot rattle. The clutch pedal recall. The unrelated to recall clutch pedal squeek. The need to reset the windows. The recall on the ABS/EDB computer when fitting the spare space saver.

I could go on, but essentially it is a separate model that has its own quirks.

Under the proposed Logic Brera should be in with 159 as its the same underneath.

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The GT is cobbled together out of left over bits of 147 and 156 anyway so why not?
This is true, however GT is newer so the discussions often resolve around recalls new purchases and the like. The 156/147 are older and the discussions are very much different, around self servicing, parts replacement, and other topics related to older cars.

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Phil: Best thing you can do is subscribe to every thread you post on. That way if someone makes a response you can check without having to find the actual thread, just click on 'profile' at the top and then 'User Control Panel'
I disagree. I subscribe to threads I am participating in, but I read, sorry used to read, every thread that was on the GT forum in case I could help, or in case it was relevant to my GT.

If I subscribed to every GT thread 1 - it would take a long time each day to find all the new ones in the 5 pages of new posts, and 2 - I would be getting about 30 emails each night, or I would need to turn off all email alerts and use the member subscription screen - in either case it IS a working solution, but its clumsy to the point that I would not use it and it would put me off participating in the forum.

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Just my thoughts anyway.

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The GT is cobbled together out of left over bits of 147 and 156 anyway so why not?
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Under the proposed Logic Brera should be in with 159 as its the same underneath.
It is. That was one of the requests made - mainly by Brera drivers - as the technology is shared and many posts/queries were being duplicated.
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Re: Should GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

I can't see a good reason for keeping them separate, but then I don't see a reason why the GTA should be separate either.

I think they should either be all in together, or there should be an umbrella lounge for all of them with four individual lounges underneath it.
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Re: Should GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

i am happy for the GT discussion to be grouped with the 147/156. this is particularly as MOST GT owners seem to be of the JTD.

where the GT is similar to the GTA is with 3.2L V6 owners, but most of you are not that...even though i am. and that was what i enjoyed about having the GT discussion shared with GTA owners - talk around the V6. but this is not relevant to most of you.

overall, the majority of GT's here share more in common with the 147/156 than the GTA.

i am happy either way, but have voted 'NO'.


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Re: Should GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

I'm glad I made this into a poll. But my word how close are the results..
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Re: Should GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

I didn't vote due to lack of interest



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...Why not put GTA in with 156?
Well as you note they are more enthusiast type owners and the traffic is higher, and there is more participation from everyone.

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My opinion would be that the GT crowd are much closer to the GTA crowd than the 147/156 crowd in terms of behaviour. And as a community they function better when that sense of community is not diluted.

I would have no problem with the GTA being in with the 147/156/ GT lounge, it was the moderators and site admin that decided it should keep its own lounge in the first place, and to be fair probably know better than I do. I would disagree with your last point there though, I think most GT owners are of exactly the same calibre as most 156/147 owners.

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Playing devils advocate for a moment, why not put GTA in with the mix as well and see if there is any pushback from that subset of owners as there has been from GT?
Thats a very good point, as a non-GTA owner I think that on the balance of things the GTA should probably be in with the 147/156/GT lounge. At the moment the lounge organisation was picked by the moderators and administrators, I don't think any of which own either a GTA or a GT. And they decided the GT should be in with the 147/156 and the GTA shouldn't. Of course GTA owners would probably like their own forum, as do a lot of GT owners in regards to having a GT lounge. But the current set-up was chosen by people without a built-in bias towards one particular model and for the benefit of the forum on average, by definition most people will be happy with it while a few might not.

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I disagree with this, if I wanted to find a connect+ issue I would still search all forums to catch the Brera/Spider and 159 forums as its all the same tech.
But the connect+ issue is ONE example of similarity between the 159/Brera/Spider and the GT, whereas the GT is overwhelmingly similar to the 147 and 156, which are mechanically-speaking overwhelmingly similar to each other as well. I think that people who post up general problems with their GTs will benefit more from the knowledge of the 147/156 owners than those who post up specific GT problems will disbenefit from the busy-ness of the lounge.

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This is true, however GT is newer so the discussions often resolve around recalls new purchases and the like. The 156/147 are older and the discussions are very much different, around self servicing, parts replacement, and other topics related to older cars.
147s are still a current model. Mechanically speaking the GT is built from the same technology as 147 and the 2nd generation 156 (2.0 JTS, multijet diesel engines) and so posts on self-servicing and parts replacement are as applicable to the GT as they are the 147 and 156.

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I'm glad I made this into a poll. But my word how close are the results..
I'm glad you made this into a poll too, I should have done it first time around.
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Re: Should GT Tech lounge be separate from 156/147 lounge?

It should be separate. Now it feels like there isn&#180;t any gt discussion. There are simply too many 147/156 threads.
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