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So now estimated at over 100bn...

Going to be 20-30 years out of date by the time its finished in 2026 - but more likely 2030 when the delays are added in.

With the new proposed route north bypassing Sheffield (Great for boosting that city - bypass entirely) they're going to demolish a load of newly built homes (So helping the housing crisis )

So... what should we do?
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100 billion?!

F*** me!

In defence of our right-wing overlords, they are only demolishing 16 newly built homes:
1 - These are new homes, maybe for younger people, who don't vote anyway. Who gives a toss?
2 - They are in THE NORTH, who gives a schit?

Did you not know that the new project is the "Northern Powering Through your House".

Where did we find an extra 50 billion? Is there a magic money tree?
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Those poor buggers who bought brand new houses that will be demolished.



Waste of money. It'll be over budget, too expensive for most people to use
with a shoddy service and, as Glenda says, out of date by the time it is finished.

England just doesn't do good infrastructure projects.
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As far as I can see, it will basically exist to allow people to live in Cheshire and work in London. The rest of the network outside the south east is falling to pieces with operators papering over the cracks by selling each other used trains, rebranding them, and saying "look at all this, ahem, new rolling stock we've got you. Oh and by the way, about those fares. We may have to put them up a teensy bit".

It will be late. It will be massively over budget. It will be of bugger all use to most people.

There's was a great top tip in Viz the other day that said something like "Avoid the need for expensive HS2 railways by starting your meeting in Birmingham 20 minutes later".
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Have they not heard of Skype and Webex ...?
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There's a new by-pass being built, not far from where I live. It's about 3 miles long and had been scheduled to be finished this spring/summer. Of course, it's run over budget and is now scheduled to finish a year later than anticipated.

3 miles of roadworks.
http://www.blogpreston.co.uk/2017/06...ed-until-2018/

Now think about HS2...
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I'd love to know where they get their budgets from. We are waiting for round 2 of the upgrade to the A1 bypass of Newcastle; 5miles of extra lanes, but without making the carriageway any wider, which will take two years. Perhaps I'm being overly simplistic but thats 30M per mile for some new road markings. This all to accommodate the thousands of houses the Government are about to dump on our green belt. As for HS2, In the same week the route was finally unveiled some boffins in the States were successfully testing Hyperloop....
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Investing the 100bn in something truly revolutionary or at the very least not outdated...

Either Hyperloop - pretty early stages, but cash is the best thing to bring it forward - probably wouldnt cost much more to build other than it needing to be a vacuum tube.

Or Maglev, energy efficient, virtually silent and very smooth. Are there any in full operation?
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Investing the 100bn in something truly revolutionary or at the very least not outdated...

Either Hyperloop - pretty early stages, but cash is the best thing to bring it forward - probably wouldnt cost much more to build other than it needing to be a vacuum tube.

Or Maglev, energy efficient, virtually silent and very smooth. Are there any in full operation?
Building anything in the UK that requires a tunnel, a tube, a box, or steel, costs at least 4 billion a metre.

A hyperloop would simply make the costs 500 billion by the time various Labour and Tory governments had tag-teamed the contracts.

Meglevs are fantastic. But they are absolutely extortionate to run. It would probably need all of the power of the unfinished Hinkley Point to run. Shanghai and Tokyo both have functioning Maglevs.

The UK rejected Maglevs as an option in 2007. Too futuristic probably.
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What makes me laugh, is that they announce things with great fanfare, and then just delete them later on.

May should just stand outside and shout "I'm going to invest 1 trillion pounds in the railway networks", and see the votes flood in. Because it will never actually happen anyway, and the article will make page 20 in the Torygraph, and page 10 in the Guardian.

Cameron did something similar a couple of years back with GSK in Cumbria. Stood very proudly, bleating on about how it was "confidence in Britian". As of yesterday, all of that GSK investment went down the toilet, without so much as a whimper from the government. The best part of it is, the new CEO who cancelled it all it is from Barrow.
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Don't know enough about HS2 to understand whether it's value for money or not, but there is an economic North/South divide and investing in transport sounds like one way to ameliorate it. So, what should be done instead?
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Don't know enough about HS2 to understand whether it's value for money or not, but there is an economic North/South divide and investing in transport sounds like one way to ameliorate it. So, what should be done instead?
Er, no ideas at all?

Should we be upgrading Manchester based public transport to London levels, so there's a comprehensive tube network and getting about the conurbation is quick and efficient once you've arrived there? Thereby making the area a more attractive centre for businesses.

Or building the UK's main hub airport somewhere in the Midlands or North where everyone can reach it, rather than in a traffic jam in a London suburb?

Or... or... or...
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Problem is the population levels of Manchester are that much smaller than London, having a comparable transport network would be overkill...

That doesnt mean London should always come first, obviously the links across the North need to be better...

The Hub airport, realistically needs to be near London, thats where everyone wants/needs to be, that isnt going to change, it is our capital city, our cultural centre, more tourists there than anywhere else.

There does need to be a wider redistribution across the country away from the South East but setting up arbitrarily in the North or the Midlands on a whim isnt going to change anything or be cost effective...

Whats for sure is that HS2 is not the answer



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Hub airports are what people fly through, not to.
How much Heathrow passenger traffic is actually destined for central London vs the rest of the world?

Better to create a hub elsewhere. London has enough airports.

I'm going there next weekend: direct flight into City, out via Gatwick and the Gatwick Express.

Expand the airport at Birmingham or Manchester and people who need to go into Nodnol
can catch a commuter jet. Bish-bosh job jobbed.
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I'm a big user of the trains north out of London - both ECML and West Coast. If you live in Central London, they're brilliant, but expensive. Newcastle in 3 hours, Manchester in about an hour and and a half.

Shaving 30 minutes off these times makes no difference to me (am I'm the targeted business user) and will probably be even more expensive. HS2 seems utterly pointless.

What is broken is travel around the country that does not originate in London. The trans-Pennine 'Express' being a prime example. This seems to take a decade to get from Manchester to Edinburgh, perhaps they ought to get some new donkeys to pull it.
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What's needed in any country is an integrated transport policy.

Rail/road/air with interconnecting hubs.

That will never work if you sell everything off and just leave it for "the market" to sort out.
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The U.K isnt really big enough to warrant a system like that
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It is when you see the ****ing state of it.

Wasn't it Newcastle that spent a fortune having an integrated bus/rail
system built? And then the Tories deregulated the buses and the bus
operators just drove routes to the city centre instead of feeding the
purpose built bus/rail interchanges.
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Estate agents are making a killing around areas where the HS2 will stop at stations where the new journey is under 1hr to Euston. Commuter belt moving from Oxford and Reading all the way up to Cheshire!
I was told that when HS2 buy a property due to one of the reasons where they don't need to knock it down, a specific Estate Agents group are buying them from HS2 and renting then out knowing they will double their money once HS2 is built!
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Aaah. Unfettered free marketeering.

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More like H2S. (With the 2 as subscript).

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H₂S ? That just stinks.
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Those poor buggers who bought brand new houses that will be demolished.



Waste of money. It'll be over budget, too expensive for most people to use
with a shoddy service and, as Glenda says, out of date by the time it is finished.

England just doesn't do good infrastructure projects.
Let it go!





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Agree completely also more than 16 houses will be demolished and great number blighted on the proposed re-route through Mexthorpe. Government are offering minimum compensation plus those blighted will suffer loss in asset value plus no comp. the Financial appraisal is a fudge as well. Mind you nothing new there.


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