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View Poll Results: Caparro T1 - Great or Stupid?
Utterly pointless waste of money 25 67.57%
Fantastic idea and value for 235k 4 10.81%
Other (but why you need it here I don't know!) 8 21.62%
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Caparo T1 - pointless?

It was on the Best of Top Gear last night. I remembered it breaking down badly when EVO were supposed to test it, Clarkson referred to Plato being quite badly burned, and the suspension failing on an early road test by a Dutch journalist. Then of course it was a nightmare to drive for Clarkson and the part of floor fell off.

Just shy of a quarter of a million quid! 235,000!

Utterly, utterly pointless waste of money for a road going track car that falls to bits and needs a team of minders to make it run or the most wonderful idea ever to break out of an engineer's cranium?

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Re: Caparo T1 - pointless?

Completely bonkers and a waste of time

But I should add that it's the bonkers stuff that's often the best!

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For me the idea of engineers not trying to come up with these things is mad. The whole evolution of the motor vehicle has come from 'idiots' with 'stupid' ideas.

Great idea, maybe not the best results, but lets have a big cheer for effort.
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Waste of money I don't have.
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Re: Caparo T1 - pointless?

didnt see it, but it that the one which set J.Plato on fire?

if so no it wasnt pointless at all !










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Re: Caparo T1 - pointless?

An engineering masterpiece - 575 BHP from a 3.5 litre V8.. Average gearchange is 45 milleseconds.

If you have the money for it, I don't think you can buy better.
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Didn't top gear say that it's low speed handling was dodgy as hell though?

I reckon a radical or Arial Atom, Westfield 'Busa or even a Caterham R500 would give you the same kicks, but without the reliability issues or the car trying to kil you at every roundabout
 
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Re: Caparo T1 - pointless?

Sorry Jim, but I voted 'other'

The thing is, I think its good that people design cars which push the bondaries of technology, however, I wouldn't buy one as I'd prefer to buy a Caterham and pocket the £220,000 change. In all honesty its a waste of money - but as waste of monies go, its a good one
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I absolutely adore that car. It really is what a supercar should be, rediculously expensive, impossible to live with, totally unpractical, insane to look at and one of the quickest things on the face of the planet.

I really want one!!
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Re: Caparo T1 - pointless?

I think it has a bit of an identity crisis, it's trying to be too much at least with your Ferrari FXX's and the like you know what your getting.
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Re: Caparo T1 - pointless?

Great replies guys. I find myself agreeing -in parts at least - with almost all of what's been said as each point has some merit. I still think it is a waste of garage space and especially at that money.

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For me the idea of engineers not trying to come up with these things is mad. The whole evolution of the motor vehicle has come from 'idiots' with 'stupid' ideas.

Great idea, maybe not the best results, but lets have a big cheer for effort.
That's a fair point - engineering concepts and ideas that push boundaries, great. I'm with you. This "product" is being sold as a sensational road-going track car and for a large wedge of dosh it should be the finished article IMHO.

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An engineering masterpiece - 575 BHP from a 3.5 litre V8.. Average gearchange is 45 milleseconds.
Great feats of engineering work. Properly.

Many, like bridges and such, stay up and working for a very long time. Ferrari's road car gear change is reliable and 60msec (40msec "acceleration gap" where the clutch is actually disengaged) - you'd never notice the difference in real life. Oh, and the Ferrari F1 'change is 15msecs so the Caparo isn't quite breaking any new ground there either . The gain doesn't outweigh the pain of its price and reliability.

A masterpiece? I don't think so.

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Didn't top gear say that it's low speed handling was dodgy as hell though?

I reckon a radical or Arial Atom, Westfield 'Busa or even a Caterham R500 would give you the same kicks, but without the reliability issues or the car trying to kil you at every roundabout
They did indeed say it was virtually undriveable at low speeds and even worse on cold tyres. You are exactly on my wavelength. Even if I had a triple roll-over lottery win I wouldn't waste 235k on that when I could get a garage full of fun and change.

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Sorry Jim, but I voted 'other'

The thing is, I think its good that people design cars which push the bondaries of technology, however, I wouldn't buy one as I'd prefer to buy a Caterham and pocket the 220,000 change. In all honesty its a waste of money - but as waste of monies go, its a good one
Gary - I think you mean to vote for it being utterly pointless then! I know what you mean and I'd kind of llean towards your view IF it worked. As it is, it's a work in progress to showcase engineering talent not a serious car.

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I absolutely adore that car. It really is what a supercar should be, rediculously expensive, impossible to live with, totally unpractical, insane to look at and one of the quickest things on the face of the planet.

I really want one!!
It is all of those things. Possibly one of the slowest things on the planet 99% of the time and off the track it'd burn you or kill you on cold tyres... I'd want to enjoy my supercar and if I had to spend that much I'd get more use and fun out of a Ferrari, Lambo or whatever.

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I think it has a bit of an identity crisis, it's trying to be too much at least with your Ferrari FXX's and the like you know what your getting.
Nail on the head there Ghosty!

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Re: Caparo T1 - pointless?

Great idea, would hate to try to run one - unless I'd won the lottery or similar...
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Re: Caparo T1 - pointless?

It's a fantastic achievement, and there's no doubt that it'd make an amazing track day car for anyone with very deep-filled pockets, but that person would probably need a hefty amount of skill behind the wheel to get it round a track in one piece.

I do admire it, but it's pointless and way too expensive. If I had a crazy big bank balance and I was in the market for such a car, there's no way I'd get one, I'd probably get an Atom or a KTM X-Bow instead.

Maybe I'm being cynical, but I get the feeling it's being made more to lighten the wallets of the super-rich who can't see any further than the performance figures, than to make the ultimate road-legal track car.
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Re: Caparo T1 - pointless?

jay kay will buy one




personally i'd get a lotus exige or a caterham if i wanted a track weapon, then revel in having over 200k to spend on nice cars & bad behaviour
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jay kay will buy one
Yeah, but at least he can drive, unlike all the fottballers who'll find themselves in a T1, in a ditch


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Other - if you've got the money - why not???
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Waste of space.
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Re: Caparo T1 - pointless?

Pointless but a total waste of money, no, be it only for showing a few issues you might get when porting a race car to the road.

The main one I personally have against such engineering is that it's very researched, but the very aerodynamics of the cars coupled with its road-legal tires fail it tremendously. You get a very powerful engine, yet comparatively very low grip at low, road-legal speeds.

So, it's a road-legal car that's not at all fit to be used by your regular everyday driver. What was the point?
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Aye! I'd have one, if they lobbed one at me. It just needs a bit of de-bugging and maybe a tad more "front wing", that's all.


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Re: Caparo T1 - pointless?

Nope, stupid idea. It's completely impossible to drive on the road and destroys it's self at every oportunity.
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for going fast in a straight line

other than that
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Re: Caparo T1 - pointless?

I think there are a lot of better, more enjoyable (and cheaper) cars on the market than the T1, and although I would never knock those that want to push the boundaries, as ultimately any discoveries/improvements will eventually make it onto our latest 'heavier' road cars.

I think the T1 has been released a liitle too early by its production team, but the majority of people who buy these type of cars will do so purely because they have the money, its the latest thing and its different.
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how many 8c's could you get for that money??
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how many 8c's could you get for that money??
If I had that much money to spend it;d go on a Lambo
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how many 8c's could you get for that money??
None. They are all sold

Seriously though, the 8c was 112k so its 2 of them. Or possibly 2 of the forthcoming 8c Spiders
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