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Ten-year freeze on engines !!



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My biggest concern is whether the other teams will be able to catch up with the leaders of the pack. I might be over reacting but if one team have a problem with reliability, race pace issues...i could go on....and on....

Well at least they are not going down the 1.4 turbo route
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Re: FIA Ten-year freeze on engines !!

I think it is a bad decision! F1 is meant to be the pinical of motor sport, drivers skills and technical skills. being able to develop race engines does and will have a trickle down effect to "normal" road cars.

They ought to be given the same engine, a set of parameters that the engineers can change/play with. That way keeps the costs down but still allows for talented technicians to shine!
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Re: FIA Ten-year freeze on engines !!

From the article: <<A change can be made after five years but only with the unanimous agreement of all stakeholders and following a further two-year notice period>>

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Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!

Unanimous agreement in F1. Yeah. Bring on the bribes.
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Re: FIA Ten-year freeze on engines !!

From the article again: <<Total freeze means that there will be no exceptions for development of certain parts of the engine, as is the case under the current regulations.>>

Arf... Just make Ferrari the supplier of "base" engines (to be modified by customers) and let's be done with it already.

That way you'll have F1/A1GP a.k.a. FerrariGP on one side, and GP2 a.k.a. RenaultGP on the other.

( I'm just being sarcastic of course. )
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Re: FIA Ten-year freeze on engines !!

A completely backwards step
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Locked in engines, Standard tyres etc..not F1 anymore.

To make F1 socially acceptable you would have to ban it

Preumably all these changes so that they might get Hamilton a World Championship

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"Preumably all these changes so that they might get Hamilton a World Championship"

With luck..five or six world championships

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KERS..the Technology that rhymes with Curs..... A dog of a Technology....
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"Preumably all these changes so that they might get Hamilton a World Championship"

With luck..five or six world championships

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The origianal Stori was a King's Karl and owned most of Lincolnshire and alot of other lands before the Norman Conquest of England...and although we largely moved to the Borders, we still have Relatives in Lincolnshire...currently several around Brace Bridge Heath
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"Preumably all these changes so that they might get Hamilton a World Championship"

With luck..five or six world championships

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The origianal Stori was a King's Karl and owned much of Lincolnshire and alot of other lands before the Norman Conquest of England...and although we largely moved to the Borders, we still have Relatives in Lincolnshire...currently several around Bracebridge Heath
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Eek, I sometimes work in Bracebridge Heath..thats when i'm not watching aircraft take off and land at RAF Waddington (wonderful way to waste an entire day).

Yes, poor old King Harolds housecarls were the SAS of their day..big strong and very brave, and they stood by him to the last man at Hastings..and the fens were the last part of the country to give in to the Norman invaders who were very cruel.

My white flag is already on my TV aerial..you can probably see it from the top of Ularoo.

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Lets just pray we don't end up with diesels in F1.........
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A completely backwards step
I totally agree

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Eek, I sometimes work in Bracebridge Heath..thats when i'm not watching aircraft take off and land at RAF Waddington (wonderful way to waste an entire day).

Yes, poor old King Harolds housecarls were the SAS of their day..big strong and very brave, and they stood by him to the last man at Hastings..and the fens were the last part of the country to give in to the Norman invaders who were very cruel.

My white flag is already on my TV aerial..you can probably see it from the top of Ularoo.

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So much for F1 being at the cutting edge of technology.
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If they want to promote a more socially acceptable image with improved economy and technological development that will filter down to cars that you and I can buy then they should limit the amount of fuel that can be used, bring in a fuel equivalence formula to allow the possibility of alternative fuels etc. including diesel! None of this is new...it was first proposed by L.J.K. Setright back in the 1970's.

BUT the real issue for the FIA is not social acceptability but costs and competitiveness hence they are dressing up the proposals with the present fig leaf!
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If they want to promote a more socially acceptable image with improved economy and technological development that will filter down to cars that you and I can buy then they should limit the amount of fuel that can be used, bring in a fuel equivalence formula to allow the possibility of alternative fuels etc. including diesel! None of this is new...it was first proposed by L.J.K. Setright back in the 1970's.

diesel!

The ear plug companies will go bust! I don't like the idea of loosing a 19k RPM roaring engine for a 4-5k RPM tractor engine in favour for the environment (not against diesel engines, but it has no place in F1)

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diesel!

The ear plug companies will go bust! I don't like the idea of loosing a 19k RPM roaring engine for a 4-5k RPM tractor engine in favour for the environment (not against diesel engines, but it has no place in F1)

Agreed! at Le Mans the last couple of years the prototype class has been pretty boring with the introduction of the diesels. You just lose interest - the sound is a highlight of it.
I think they should also take the rev limiters off them. When do you ever see a blown engine anymore? That was always good fun
 
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The sooner the teams break away from F1 the better, the current ruling body of P.C, weak willed, bribe taking, wet blankets need to retire on their ill gotten gains and 5od off out of a sport they are trying their hardest to kill, we want competitive sport, cutting edge development, high speed action......in a couple of years time the drivers will be in toyota pious's with anything resembling a internal combustion engine ripped out of it.....and probably regulated to 3mph with anti-Ant collision radar ....


Not that it bothers me much.



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Also think there has been a freeze on the drivers for ten years already!! There all the same emotionless "icemen". All for corporate image.
Need wild outspoken guys like Irvine/Senna adding to the sport by having a punch up every now and again

If average Joe took over the FIA I bet the sport would be more exciting than it has been for years
 
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Im beginning to dislike F1.
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I've been going off F1 for quite a few years now, since the advent of rule changes designed to 'improve' the spectacle for the floating (ie: unknowledgable - and I mean no offence to the countries 'new' to F1) viewers. I only wish a few of the manufacturers would have the [email protected] to finally break away and re-invent Formula Libre. Racing without limits to a very few appropriate rules: Minimum race distance 400 miles or 3 hours. ANY engine type and size. Any tyres.
The way F1 is heading, it will look more like Formula Ford, but without overtaking. Flippin' wonderful prospect!



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Racing without limits to a very few appropriate rules: Minimum race distance 400 miles or 3 hours. ANY engine type and size. Any tyres.
With technology in design being the way it is, such a formulae would provide very dull spectacle, even more so than F1 nowdays.
 
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The sooner the teams break away from F1 the better, the current ruling body of P.C, weak willed, bribe taking, wet blankets need to retire on their ill gotten gains and 5od off out of a sport they are trying their hardest to kill, we want competitive sport, cutting edge development, high speed action......in a couple of years time the drivers will be in toyota pious's with anything resembling a internal combustion engine ripped out of it.....and probably regulated to 3mph with anti-Ant collision radar ....

Too many Rules, everyone has to look at the rule book nowadays and get read every ruling hoping to catch someone out, good example of this is the last race of the season, "cooling the fuel" .......so what !! back to basics please!
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Should give them a choice of engine option like they used to.
Maybe run either a smaller cc turbo as recently sugested or the current v8.
 
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