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These are the results after today's qualifying session in Melbourne. The mid session rainstorm (red flag after Shumi qualified) messed things up a little bit

1. (12) Fisichella Renault (M) 1:33.171
2. (9) Trulli Toyota (M) 1:35.270 + 2.099
3. (7) Webber Williams-BMW (M) 1:36.717 + 3.546
4. (11) Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas (M) 1:36.984 + 3.813
5. (8) Klien Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:37.486 + 4.315
6. (10) Coulthard Red Bull-Cosworth (M) 1:38.320 + 5.149
7. (6) Heidfeld Williams-BMW (M) 1:39.717 + 6.546
8. (5) Button BAR-Honda (M) 1:41.512 + 8.341
9. (3) Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:44.357 + 11.186
10. (19) Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:44.997 + 11.826
11. (20) Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:45.325 + 12.154
12. (18) Barrichello Ferrari (B) 1:45.481 + 12.310
13. (4) Monteiro Jordan-Toyota (B) 1:46.846 + 13.675
14. (17) Alonso Renault (M) 1:47.708 + 14.537
15. (1) Albers Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:49.230 + 16.059
16. (2) Freisacher Minardi-Cosworth (B) 1:50.864 + 17.693
17. (16) R.Schumacher Toyota (M) 1:51.495 + 18.324
18. (14) M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:57.931 + 24.760
19. (13) Massa Sauber-Petronas (M) No Time
20. (15) Sato BAR-Honda (M) No Time
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Good. Glad to hear it. Anything which will mean more overtaking is good news.
Maybe they should do what the Eurocars do, random grid positions, but the race is split into 2, whatever your starting position for the first race, you get the opposite starting position for the second
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Just realised that this year overall qualifying time is an average of your time from each of the qualifying sessions too, so these are meaningful figures.
How do they work out people who didn't get a time in one of the sessions though?
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Well Sato Crashed on his warm up lap .....I thought Massa finished his lap just took forever as he was on slicks in a major down pour
Presumably he either pulled into the pits or stopped by the track some where for safety reasons as I did not see him crash...but Schumacher flashed by him and moments later Massa's team radio him to warm that Schumacher was coming and to let him go by...but it was too late


Here in Melbourne we have have a "little" drought for quite a will but this summer has been rather cold and lots and lots of rain...on one day recently we has 20% of our average rainfall



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I presume they will be last regardless of the lap they do tomorrow. That session now is a total waste of time, and if the drivers have got any sense, they'll just trundle round and not waste fuel/tyres. (except anyone who is very close to the guy infront, which isn't many!)
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I'll be watching the race live. Should be interesting to see what Ferrari do now! What really gets up my nose is Minardi finally deciding to use their 2005 spec aero kit after all that!!!!
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tell me about it, i suppose it got his team a bit of extra airtime tho!!

what do you think of the same set of tyres rule, i must say i'll miss some of the pitlane drama!
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what do you think of the same set of tyres rule, i must say i'll miss some of the pitlane drama!
What happens if you use wets in qualifying and drys (dries?) in the race?

If you were a middlish team, could you use wets to qualify on somewhere like Bahrain where it's 95% likely to be dry? I know it wouldn't be a great qualifying time, but if the wets would hang together for the couple of qualifying laps, you could bin them and start the race on new dry tyres.
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But wouldn't your qualifying position be lower down?
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OMG, does that mean win it all Schumacher is at the back might even stay up to watch it then
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OMG, does that mean win it all Schumacher is at the back might even stay up to watch it then
I suspect so, unless the Ferrari is something like 30 seconds a lap faster than anyone else,then Yes he is going to be right at the back with the Dreaded Minardis
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I'll be watching the race live. Should be interesting to see what Ferrari do now! What really gets up my nose is Minardi finally deciding to use their 2005 spec aero kit after all that!!!!
It seems as if the Minardi F1 drivers had never driven the car with the 2005 Aero Package prior to yestedays first practise sesion
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It wasn't as exciting As I hoped it would be

Good for Fisichella
great 2nd place for Rubens too.. didn't expect it, from where he started..
bad luck for Michael.. I think he got a little bit too eager once he realised he was heading to score points.. oh well, gives him the chance to start with a new engine in Malaysia
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It wasn't as exciting As I hoped it would be

Good for Fisichella
great 2nd place for Rubens too.. didn't expect it, from where he started..
bad luck for Michael.. I think he got a little bit too eager once he realised he was heading to score points.. oh well, gives him the chance to start with a new engine in Malaysia
Fiddling at the edges with the rules will not make F1 Exciting .

Only continuous dog fights for postion will help F1...but the current rules only make passing even harder.

What I find fascinating is that people actually pay real money to watch F1...No on second thoughts, only the brain dead would pay good money to actually watch F1 live...so it must be the other attractions
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Only continuous dog fights for postion will help F1...but the current rules only make passing even harder.
Alonso had a great race and overtook a couple of cars ....





.... on the track!

And finished third, chapeau!
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Alonso had a great race and overtook a couple of cars ....





.... on the track!

And finished third, chapeau!
But as they say..." One swallow, does not make a summer"

Alonso over took a few in the pits...such as Mark Weber and presumably David Couthard but not much parssing on the track for the front runners.
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i enjoyed it despite the new format/changes

lets see how it pans out over the next few races, i'm hoping for more "unexpected" wins
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Can someone confirm this? MS apparently had an engine change before the start so he would start the next race with a 10 place penalty? But, as he didn't finish the Oz GP does he get a fresh engine and no penalty?

Also Sato & Button get to start which fresh engines and no penalty either?
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Good for Fisichella
bad luck for Michael.. I think he got a little bit too eager once he realised he was heading to score points.. oh well, gives him the chance to start with a new engine in Malaysia
Why is it whenever Michael shumaker makes a driving error, where potentially other drivers would be penalised it's bad luck...

He blatantly tried to run heidfield off the road, giving him nowhere to go and paid the consequences...

As for the engine palava I'm sure as he changed the engine before the start of the race he would be penalised this race (but you can't go backwards that far).. and yes he gets the free change next time as well -

As do the BAR guys - now thats playing to the rules, knowing F1 we could expect to see only 8 cars finish each race....

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bad luck for Michael.. I think he got a little bit too eager once he realised he was heading to score points.. oh well, gives him the chance to start with a new engine in Malaysia

How can cynically forcing another driver off track & then being hit by same out of control car be called bad luck

IMHO (of course ) MS should receive a ban for this manoeuvre & an automatic 10 point deduction and Ferrari should be made to pay the cost of repairing the Williams

Heidfeld would probably have got past MS at that corner, but MS would have had the chance to retaliate later (the lap times show he was quick enough).
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How can cynically forcing another driver off track & then being hit by same out of control car be called bad luck
because they call that a "racing incident" it happens when you race, not cruise around the track..
MS defended his line (albeit, i agree, a bit agressive) and Heitfeld wasn't really prepared for this.. he probably figured the red baron would just let him by..
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and Ferrari should be made to pay the cost of repairing the Williams

Good thinking!! They should have to build up No Claims Bonus like the rest of us!!!


Why doesn't someone build a car with a massive fuel tank so they don't have to stop? Or maybe use drop tanks like on escort planes so they can bin them half way through when they are empty.

Anyway, just a thought.
Might run it past g and see what he reckons.
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MS defended his line (albeit, i agree, a bit agressive)

OK, so the rules that state you cannot change line to do this need to be changed.


Michael has continually made it very clear through all the years he has been racing that he will not allow anyone to overtake him, whatever the cost (even Ralf). Fortunately some drivers are prepared to teach him that he cannot get away with this (forget relying on the rules to stop him - they don't apply to MS or Ferrari), and he now races these drivers much more fairly (Montoya, Coulthard) - and F1 is far more interesting to watch when he does this.

Racing is one problem, deliberately causing 'accidents' another.

It is not surprising that MS continues to use these bullying tactics - he was authorised to do so after the 1994(?) Aus GP when he 'won' the world title by punting Damon off the track when he had just damaged his own car.
In 1997(?) MS lost his 2nd place in the championship - as if 1st of the losers is something to care about - but was allowed to keep all his race victories etc. for the record books. Not exactly a win-win situation, but not exactly a great loss for MS, since he had lost the World Championship anyway.


Winning at any cost is not a trait to be admired (IMHO) - 1 of the reasons I hate to watch football is the constant cheating - why bother having rules if you don't enforce them? (getting into speed camera discussions there tho' )

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How does a swerve constitute defending his line....

if you look he clearly turns into heidfield before the corner...

He has continuously done this throughout his career as Howard says...

Somethign needs to be done, although I do enjoy it when it backfires on him.

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Somethign needs to be done, although I do enjoy it when it backfires on him.

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