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The other week, elder child dragged me to Fords of Winsford (big car supermarket that started long before car supermarkets were a thing) as she was fancying a newish Fiesta.

As we wandered around the 75,000 cars, I was left with one overriding thought - "How do you go somewhere that has every make and model from Jags to Dacias, all in perfect nearly new condition, and end up coming away with a Vauxhall Mokka? "

This gave me a brilliant idea for a new thread. However, I've forgotten that idea so this one will have to do.

Basically I will nominate a car then we can argue the toss over whether it's rubbish or not. The first car for discussion is the aforementioned Mokka. Is it terrible? Am I being unkind? Over to you.

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Beyond bland shape, heavy bottom, ‘from’ £21k.

I am fortunate enough to have never driven one so cannot comment on it’s ‘dynamics’.
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I think I would struggle to get enthusiastic about any Vauxhall let alone a Mokka.

They just have an air of couldn't be arsed about them. By that I mean they are not especially good at anything, and the people who drive them tend not to be car enthusiasts.


But if I needed a cheap banger that I didn't care about just for the sole purpose of transport and nothing else I might consider one (if the price/condition/MOT status was ok)
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I think I would struggle to get enthusiastic about any Vauxhall let alone a Mokka.

They just have an air of couldn't be arsed about them. By that I mean they are not especially good at anything, and the people who drive them tend not to be car enthusiasts.


But if I needed a cheap banger that I didn't care about just for the sole purpose of transport and nothing else I might consider one (if the price/condition/MOT status was ok)
That's pretty much my view of them. We have an Astra pool car at work and there's really nothing wrong with it. It's reasonably comfortable, it's quiet, it's quick enough, the handling is ok, etc etc. However, when I drive it, I worry that people will think it's mine. We have Toyotas and Kias that aren't as nice yet when I drive them, I couldn't care less if people think they are mine.
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I used to go fishing by the farm where Ford's of Winsford started!!

Later in life I was in their large site with the ex and left nearly having bought a Ford Ka for her!! The salesman did let me have a go in WRX Subaru which was fun. In the end we got her a Peugeot 206.

If I'm honest I would go Vauxhall over Peugeot!
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I work at BCA Manchester and some days drive about 200 cars in one day alone.

The Mokka is with all modern Vauxhall’s which is kind of built to a specific price with a specific demographic in mind.
To answer the question, yes they’re terrible cars.
I pretty much hate stepping inside all modern Vauxhall’s, they can be problematic too. Lots of them come in with error codes or a coolant light showing on the dash.
They don’t seem to age well.


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Awful.

Second that on reliability, Mum and sister have both had Corsa’s, both plagued with seemingly endless problems despite being new-ish and on modest mileage.


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Where did you get the idea of them holding 75k cars from? Our place is huge and we don’t have even 10% of that at anyone time.


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A simple experiment. Try saying this out loud:

“I drive a Vauxhall Mokka”

Now, do you feel like you’re winning in life?
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I rather like the rear aspect of the new Insignia and I do like the wee Adam provided it's in funky colours. The Mokka needs to be killed with fire.
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The Adam is a guilty pleasure of mine too. I’m denying I ever said that though 🙂
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The Adam is a guilty pleasure of mine too. I’m denying I ever said that though 🙂
I don't get why they called it the Vauxhall Adam. Sure the Opel version makes sense as it was named after Adam Opel.


The Vauxhall version should be called the Vauxhall Alexander.
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^^^ Symon... no one cares 😉
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Where did you get the idea of them holding 75k cars from? Our place is huge and we don’t have even 10% of that at anyone time.


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Love the lines of the new Insignia.
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Certainly not those who buy them
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The Adam, Fiat 500, Mini et al all suit the bill for a certain demographic.
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The Adam, Fiat 500, Mini et al all suit the bill for a certain demographic.
I don't mind the 500 or the Mini. In fact, I quite like them. They are shamelessly retro designs taking styling cues from icons from the past and that's fair enough, it seems to be what people want. Vauxhall's equivalent would be the Viva HA which didn't really have any styling at all so the same approach wouldn't really work. Instead it looks like they just pinched ideas from everywhere. Personally I'd rather have the upscaled but otherwise shameless copy of an old car rather than a facsimile of the upscaled but otherwise shameless copy of an old car.

anyway, enough of Vauxhall. The next car for debate is the original Honda NSX.
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Set up by Senna apparently and wee's all over a 348, I'd love to drive an NSX,
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New NSX or old NSX? Old one I guess.

I guess it was a good car because everyone says it was and it was solely responsible for making "supercars" usable. It's debatable whether that was a "good thing" if you like your super cars techy, unapproachable, exotic, unreliable and with no switchgear from a Civic.

Which leaves us with styling because we've all seen them and can all have an opinion. Personally, I've never warmed to it. The shape leaves me cold. It's mildly derivative and doesn't look especially exotic.
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The Honda NSX has to be a car that would excite you if given the keys.
As of actually owning one. If you can get your head around the vulgar switch gear bespoke to most JDM cars of that period, the fact it only has something like 275 BHP not making it as fast as you would expect, and the insane price tag of a 1st generation model one. Then it would make a nice car to have. But something tells me the S2000 is a much more worthy car to own for the price.
The current one would be insane to drive, but so is the price tag of one. Probably why in America they try to up market it as an Acura.


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Ah well, there's part of the issue. It's a supposed supercar that handles well allegedly (pfft) and has good build quality (guffaws), easy to drive and live with () but it has pretty feeble power even by standards of the day and isn't especially quick. It's everything a supercar of the time shouldn't be!


And I still don't much like its styling. It's too much like a stretched Prelude.
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I like the original NSX with the pop up lights, not so keen on the later pedestrian friendly version.

The engine was derived from the unit in the Honda legend, which was an enlarged version of the engine fitted to the Rover 800

Sure 275bhp wasn't a lot of power even then, but it made good use of it, the car was light and unlike many supercars of the day it was reliable enough to use every day.
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