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At the danger of contradicting my other thread about the demise of ICE cars, I want to chat about 1000hp supercars. Is there - somewhere - a tipping point whereby the relevance of their huge hp becomes redundant because of its ridiculousness?

I’m not saying small brain stuff like ‘why make a car with 1000hp when the speed limit is only 70mph’, nor am I denying the engineering excellence needed to design and develop an engine capable of such and output; but when hp levels get that extreme, are they, ironically, difficult to care about rather than be impressed by?

Bugatti launches 1000hp
Audi launches 1200hp
Ferrari launches 1500hp

You’re kinda into the zone of extreme silliness and ‘so whatery’. Until such a time that my brilliance is recognised, it’s unlikely that I’ll be able to buy a 1,000hp car; and even if I had the means to do so, I just know I’d rather have that little Alpine in a heartbeat over a 1,000hp car. So Ferrari - never mind about mega hp. Try making a pretty car, instead 👍

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In this month's Motor Sport, Andrew Frankel (who tests all kinds of exotica) pursues a similar theme. "Bragging rights should go to the lightest car, not the most powerful," he suggests.
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Anything much over 150bhp is a waste on today's crowded and pothole ridden roads.

Yes totally poinless willy waving, but if you have that sort of money to splash on a car I am sure that you could afford a few track days so that you could actually use it to it's potential.
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Its a fair point. Does seem a bit pointless and more about "how much can we get out of this" rather than whats reasnoble.

Even on a track, you'd realistically need to have or be taught, some real skills to get anywhere near the potential of one of these things.

Ive always had a fancy for wee, light cars with inappropriate engines and that could go round corners really quickly. Like when i was in my 30's there was a guy on eBay selling a mini(Austin) that had a 1.8vtech honda in it. Or an Aygo Crazy......
Or an old lotus single seater track car with 1.6 crossflow that weighed as much as a tin of tuna. Stuff like that is more appealing(to me).
Maybe its because all the cars ive mentioned are within my reach.....i dont know.
I do know that only about 0.5%of the population can afford the supercars in question....remove from that the number the people that will expire themselves or the car(most likely both) and you're left with a very small customer base.

So yeah...very much "check out my big willie" syndrome!
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I can't see why anyone would want any more than about 457bhp. It'd just be pointless.
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Given the number of Giulia QVs ending up backwards in a hedge, I'd say you're spot on here. Even 500hp is a bit ridiculous in a road-going car, and constantly pushing the figure upwards seems a bit baffling as we approach the dying days of the internal combustion engine anyway. Build in lightness, that's the way to go.

Likewise any car that costs more than a five bed terrace house in a good London suburb seems a bit pointless. I can appreciate the engineering and craftsmanship that goes into these things, but they're not even aspirational.

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I think the answer is a car that weighs about 750kg (or less) and has around 175-200bhp.

It would be fun at legal speeds, corner brilliantly and wouldn't be too heavy on fuel.
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Anything much over 150bhp is a waste on today's crowded and pothole ridden roads.
Gotta disagree as I’m used to about 250 and that gives me enough oomph to get past the slipper-wearing mumble-wits native to Shropshire safely. Especially as they clump together (is the collective noun for 40mph potterers a ‘clot’?) on the road, panic-stricken at the concept of ‘overtaking’, and form knots of 3 and 4 cars concertinaed together that you have to take in one go.

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Gotta disagree as I’m used to about 250 and that gives me enough oomph to get past the slipper-wearing mumble-wits native to Shropshire safely. Especially as they clump together (is the collective noun for 40mph potterers a ‘clot’?) on the road, panic-stricken at the concept of ‘overtaking’, and form knots of 3 and 4 cars concertinaed together that you have to take in one go.

It depends on the cars weight though, or more correctly power to weight ratio.

My Beemer is 306bhp, but weighs 1800Kg, sure it is pretty quick but my old Renaultsport Clio cup had a similar power to weight ratio, and at anything up to very illegal speeds was probably just as fast in a straight line (And miles better on the corners)

A car weighing 750kg and with 175 bhp will have no issues with rapid overtaking of slow arses.
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Totally with you on power-to-weight.

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I work from home and live in leafy Cheshire. If and when I want to drive, I can usually avoid it being in heavy traffic, so I do still get to enjoy my driving.

I'd suggest that all you people in the smog-ridden overcrowded South* come and give it a try, but on second thoughts you can stay down there and keep the roads up here clearer.

*Yeah, I know kb is in the north. But he's in a city, and I think I've already expounded my theory that all cities are enclaves of the South in essence. It's a philosophical thing.
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I guess my point wasn’t so much that 1,000hp cars could be considered an irrelevance on the road, but that once you’re up to 1,000hp it’s such a ridiculous amount that boasts of 1,300hp becomes a bit meaningless because you’re way beyond a tipping point.

You’re almost into the zone of puerile, like kids playing about who can come up with the biggest number - ‘a squillion billion million’; ‘no, two squillion billion million’ - and you just stop listening 🙂
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I guess my point wasn’t so much that 1,000hp cars could be considered an irrelevance on the road, but that once you’re up to 1,000hp it’s such a ridiculous amount that boasts of 1,300hp becomes a bit meaningless because you’re way beyond a tipping point.

You’re almost into the zone of puerile, like kids playing about who can come up with the biggest number - ‘a squillion billion million’; ‘no, two squillion billion million’ - and you just stop listening 🙂
I think we all agreed with...though we babbled on a bit. The general feeling i got certainly was that the 1000hp mark you set is probably in itself quite high and that about 400-500 per tonne is more than ample.
I do appreciate very much the engineering feat behind these cars. But it is just that..a feat and as u say, a little purile
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