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Those Volvos are still largely European designs https://www.dezeen.com/2019/05/09/pe...-design-china/
But I wonder where they source the engine mount that broke on topgear against the Velar and Stelvio?
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The Mustang, especially since they starting selling it though UK dealers. Didnít mind them so much before then, when it was a least mildly interesting to see one. Youíd have to have absolutely no sense of shame to be seen driving one.

In these times where electric cars are being forced upon us something so unapologetically old-school should be celebrated, but I just canít stand the things.


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Not sure if this counts as irrational but have you seen the new BMW X7? **** me that's a face only a mother could love.

I'd post a pic but some of you might be eating.
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Or the X7 May be eating some of us?
Truly hideous by product of the RollsRoyce Cullinan.
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That must be why so many cattle grids get stolen. BMW send them off to be chromed then fit them to the latest models.
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All new car models approved for sale in Europe since Feb 2011 have had to have daytime running lights (DRLs) at the front, and some manufacturers include them at the rear too - even though there's no legal requirement to do so. Some of the front DRLs are indeed very bright LEDs, but of course you can't blame the driver if there's no switch to turn them off!

Generally speaking, I think the manufacturers need to stop trying to out-do each other with ever-brighter LEDs, before we all go completely blind and mad. A car is a great big thing and most people can spot one in daylight, even if it hasn't got blindingly bright lights on.

That said, there is some strong research evidence to show that DRLs reduce the likelihood of accidents - especially collisions involving multiple vehicles.

Having had cars with an wihout DRL's all I can say is that more people seem to pull out in front of me whan I have them turned on.

Either people no longer take any notice of them or they make it harder to judge an aproaching vehicles speed.

Aftermarket ones especially also look terrible.
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Good grief. What were the designers of that car taking?

And is there any of it left...?
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The DRLs were originally in Scandinavian countries but Berlusconi adopted it because it was an easy and visible signal that he’d arrived as the boss of Italy. It certainly made a good way of anything before it looking old. A bit of built in obsolescence.
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Fiat Punto. My ma had one a few years back. Not only is it plug ugly, whenever you go round a right hand bend, the bloody A pillar makes it impossible to see where you're going.
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Fiat Punto. My ma had one a few years back. Not only is it plug ugly, whenever you go round a right hand bend, the bloody A pillar makes it impossible to see where you're going.
To me Punto always sounds like an Italian word for small fart, so I could never take them seriously no matter how good / bad they are.

And @cue2 you should go and work for BMW's design dept
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My 916 spider, though loathe more than hate.
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Wow, the BMW caricatures take some beating. Yes, I think that is how people actually do view BMWs.
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Do motorbikes count?
I hate the Charlie and Ewan wannabies in the adventure stuff and the biking Methuselahs on Hardly Able Tos all kitted out with way too bright retina damaging lights that I have to shut my eyes.

Yeah, that's safer.
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My 916 spider, though loathe more than hate.
Still not sold it then?
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The Smart ForFour. This very much fits in the original “illogical” envelope. It’s small, inoffensive, reasonably well packaged and capable of supporting a night time sleepover if the old TG piece is to be believed. I just detest them. You don’t see many but when you do they make your skin crawl. Even it’s effing name is annoyingly up its own arris.
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Still not sold it then?
Iím hoping it can go up for sale with an mot in a few days, catalytic converter will not seal though.
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The Smart ForFour. This very much fits in the original “illogical” envelope.
I'd say the Smart ForFour very much fits into the rational hatred category - it's a badge-engineered Renault Twingo being sold for a lot more money purely on the value of the Mercedes-Swatch-Smart brand. Besides, the ForGo is both teeteringly tall for it's length and rear engined, so must surely be one of the most dangerous modern cars to drive in the wet.

And that's reminded me of another Mercedes monstrosity which very much fits in the rational hatred category - the original ML series. Dreadful cheapo trim, ugly, slow, uneconomical, so hopelessly unreliable it dragged Mercedes below Alfa in the reliability index of the time, and despite being a (sortof) 4x4 it was hopeless offroad and useless in the snow. And for some reason despite the ML being possibly the worst car Mercedes had produced up to that point their owners still had a certain air of smugness about them, perhaps thinking people were staring and pointing out of admiration rather than exclaiming "What sort of idiot buys one of those?!"

Thankfully they've all-but disappeared now, but there was one S1 ML model which will be missed- the AMG ML55 made a great, cheap engine donor for more deserving AMGs.

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Agree re the ML.

Unless they had never steered anything other than a three wheeled supermarket shopping trolley, I can’t see how anyone who’d driven an ML could conclude anything other than it was absolutely diabolical to drive.

It’s a mystery to me how it signed off.
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I think most of the cars I dislike are down to the people driving them.
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I think most of the cars I dislike are down to the people driving them.
Which reminds me that the Range Rover Sport needs a mention
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Agree re the ML.

Unless they had never steered anything other than a three wheeled supermarket shopping trolley, I canít see how anyone whoíd driven an ML could conclude anything other than it was absolutely diabolical to drive.

Itís a mystery to me how it signed off.
GM's influence and the desire to fleece as many punters as possible for a quick profit might have had something to do with it
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Bentley Bentayga, I keep seeing one and the more I see the more I really don't like it!
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Citroen Picasso. A means of transport almost exclusively driven by a Type 2 diabetes sufferer wearing a replica football shirt & used to ferry his over-weight kids from McDonalds to KFC. Itís the automotive equivalent of admitting that you have given up on life. There should be one only in the entire world, in the Citroen museum. Burn the rest of them.
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The new Ford Focus. Reduced the height, increased the width and length, result looks like someone stomped on the old one.
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