Afa 75 and 156 on track - Alfa Romeo Forum
You are currently unregistered, register for more features.    
General Alfa Discussion Strictly Alfa Romeo talk only!

 
Thread Tools
(Post Link) post #1 of 9 Old 29-09-11 Thread Starter
Status: skint!
AO Silver Member
 
cannotstop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Ireland
County: Dublin
Posts: 1,493
Garage
Afa 75 and 156 on track

Hi

Something I have often wondered about, but havent found an answer to..

How do the old (sorry) 75s stack up to newish Alfa's as a trackday beast ?

The old 75 had the 3 liter V6, which could give lots of power, but the chassis and suspension is old, and the 156 for instance has a better tuned suspension, if a bit down on power (excluding the GTA, naturally)

If you put moderately tuned versions (no WTCC cars) of either on track, who would win ?
cannotstop is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Status: -
AO Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: United Kingdom
County: Norfolk
Posts: 328

Member car:

An Alfa

Well a modified stripped out 75 with a 200bhp V6 wasn't as quick as a bog standard 147 Ducati corse when they went up against each other in the Alfa Sprint series..
Flame_Out is offline  
Status: -
Newbie
 
Ralf S.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: The land that Time forgot
Posts: 13,149
The 75 is RWD so it scampers off the line better than the 156. It's also a little lighter and the 12v engine is pretty torquey compared to the 156 24v 2.5 ltr donkey.

Come the first corner and the '56 brakes a lot later since it has better brakes and a better suspension (coupled with a stiffer chassis).

Onto the next straight and the '56 edges past because it's carrying some speed now and can get its superior top-end power (190bhp vs 160) down without front-drive dramas. It's also more aerodynamic... so it's simply faster.

The 75 can tuck into the slipstream and hang on in there. It has enough poke to have a run at the '56 into a fast curve .. aided by the rear drive again... but the '56 can carry more momentum.

The 75 will hang its back end out, defy physics and the laws of gravity.. but the '56 ultimately quicker, less dramatic and sooner rather than later, is out of sight...

Get the 75!

Ralf S.

No bullets for Chaingun..
Ralf S. is offline  
Status: New cv joint, feels like new car...
AO Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: United Kingdom
County: Greater London
Posts: 30

Member car:

156 2.5 V6

Nice!
AlfalfaV6 is offline  
(Post Link) post #5 of 9 Old 30-09-11 Thread Starter
Status: skint!
AO Silver Member
 
cannotstop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Ireland
County: Dublin
Posts: 1,493
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralf S. View Post
...

Get the 75!

Ralf S.
Its a nice write up Ralf
The 75 sounds like fun... but hmm... being fast is fun too.
Think it will be the 156. Or 155Q4... hm..
cannotstop is offline  
Status: Two Alfa's? Oh yes!
AO Member
 
mojo51's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: United Kingdom
County: Cheshire
Posts: 202
Garage
Well Happy

Quote:
Originally Posted by cannotstop View Post
Hi

Something I have often wondered about, but havent found an answer to..

How do the old (sorry) 75s stack up to newish Alfa's as a trackday beast ?

The old 75 had the 3 liter V6, which could give lots of power, but the chassis and suspension is old, and the 156 for instance has a better tuned suspension, if a bit down on power (excluding the GTA, naturally)

If you put moderately tuned versions (no WTCC cars) of either on track, who would win ?
Someone likes the 75! Scroll down this page:
The RSR Gxarage | Car Hire | Nurburgring | RSR Nurburg
past the Porsche 997 GT3RS (!) and there they are! There are some videos on YouTube, to give an idea of how quick they are.
mojo51 is offline  
Status: -
Newbie
 
Ralf S.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: The land that Time forgot
Posts: 13,149
Let's not forget that the 75 was a pretty handy Touring Car in its day..

Ralf S.
Ralf S. is offline  
Status: -
AO Silver Member
 
harryf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: United Kingdom
County: Surrey
Posts: 2,646
Garage
I'm surprised the 75 is not faster, power to weight ratios between the two about equal. RWD should give advantages. 75 easier to lose some weight on and more fun. But also more prone to rust.
harryf is offline  
Status: -
Newbie
 
Ralf S.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: The land that Time forgot
Posts: 13,149
The beast will have more body flex and the standard components (suspension and brakes) will be inferior to the 10 years more developed 156, even if they're in good condition.

Obviously you can take a 75 and stiffen it up (roll cage) and upgrade it (shocks and big brakes) where it might start to get a bit tasty... but like for like, I'd still race the 156 if my life depended on lap time.

But this is a track car.. having a slightly cheeky handler that threatens to put you in the Armco if you take too many liberties is part of the fun..


Ralf S.
Ralf S. is offline  
Reply

Go Back   Alfa Romeo Forum > Off Topic Section > General Alfa Discussion

Tags
156 , afa , laptimes , track , track day

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
So how many and where are the GTA's ??? 156GTASW Alfa GTA 608 27-10-11 10:11
Alfas in computer games? K18 NOB General Alfa Discussion 24 03-06-11 21:51

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome