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Cry Like A Baby The dreaded curse of 289/A Alfa Red

Just noticed really bad lacquer peel on the bonnet of my Brera

Car is carefully maintained with quality products and not pressure washed.

Coupled with all the chips I'm gutted

I'll be with the suppling dealer on Sunday at Mallory so will raise it then.

Fingers crossed, the car will be repainted again under warranty
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It's weird because my 159 doesn't seem to have a lacquer layer.
It's a standard single coat paint.


 
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i feel for ya mate although I doubt it, how long you had it?

may get treated but repaint? not so sure

good luck though
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@Nev, 289/A does have a lacquer coat. @ Nath, it 2.5 years old, 20k miles so still under warranty, Inc paintwork.

Car was an ARUK car & had paint before I bought it, assumingly for chippage.
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Hmmm.... So why does the AR touch up paint not have a lacquer bottle?
 
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Thats almost as bad as my similar age/mileage blue paint.

Be very interested to hear the dealer response.

The bad paint work is making me fall out of love with the Alfa.
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I'm not kidding & I know it's just a car but I feel sick to my stomach since noticing that
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Hmmm.... So why does the AR touch up paint not have a lacquer bottle?
Because they are tight and you have to buy it seperately.

I remember asking the same when I was buying a touch up pen for my old 156, as the previous touch up pen for another 156 came with the pen. Alfa simply changed policy.

PS: my 289/A on the Brera was never really that bad imo. Had 4 chips on the bonnet and the light peppering in the usual places, but the latter always came up to be 90% better with a wax or glaze anyway.
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be careful about what products you use if any to clean it, I had my car valeted and before it went in the bonnet was slightly fading in places but a few weeks later a whiote patch where they had been scrubbing started to appear, Im convinced its from the product they used for the paintwork
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Because they are tight and you have to buy it seperately.

I remember asking the same when I was buying a touch up pen for my old 156, as the previous touch up pen for another 156 came with the pen. Alfa simply changed policy.



Are you sure about that AFAIK it depends on the colour car you have on whether it includes lacquer or not.


Edit : It seems like I'm correct Mangoletsi, Alfa Romeo Dealership in Knutsford - New & Used Cars - Shop

Metallic seem to mostly get lacquer, where as most pastels do not.

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Simon really sorry to hear / see this I have recently spent rather too long dealing with the bodywork fraternity and have heard repeatedly that although the story we all are being given about tree hugging water based paints the real problem lies in the contracted out paint process , very thin paint layers covered in too thin soft "vulnerable " laquers.
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Just spoke to my wife(she works for Mango's!!), the Alfa Red solid isnt lacquered it does have a sealer on it from the factory...Alfa Red metallic does have lacquer..

AR did have problems with Alfa Red solid and it had been stopped prior to the launch of Giulietta and has only been re-added late last year to the paint options. The problem specifically is paint not adhering properly.

Her current Giulietta is Alfa Red solid and it looks ok at the moment, however it is sold so its going Monday :-(

As your 159 is under warranty get it in to them....BTW Alfa Red metallic was not available on the 159 model range....289 is Alfa Red Solid just looked under the bonnet of the Giulietta.



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In all seriousness though, I'm sorry to hear your dreaded paint problems have reared their ugly head again, Simon . I thought after NAD last year you were well on your way to having it sorted once and for all.
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That's quite shocking on such a young car.
 
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That's quite shocking on such a young car.
It's very common on the 289 paint. Saw a nearly new MiTo QV today & the rear quarter flanks were shot blaster

Fingers crossed it'll get resprayed under the three year paintwork warranty but the way it gets administered seems a tad haphazard to say the least

Trouble is, I really love this car but I can't abide seeing it look so tatty

Reference detailing products, I'm an obsessive so nothing harsh gets used on it, period
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Have Alfa not been charging extra for Rosso Alfa in recent years on the basis it is more durable than the Rosso Alfa they didn't charge extra for? So what exactly have they been charging extra for then?

Still that's the price you pay for a 'tarty' red car I suppose
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Hope you get it sorted, can understand your frustration with a car of that age. I had an issue with the red paint finish on a Sud back in the 90's that put me off Alfa red of any sort. When it's good it looks right but red seems to go wrong quite a lot.
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Our other 2 cars are Alfa Red. Both the 130 variety. Our GT has been a mile muncher & despite 74k on motorways it's fine for a 6 year old car.
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Wow SR my next one was going to be red for sure but now maybe i think not.
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Wow SR my next one was going to be red for sure but now maybe i think not.
To be fair, the stuff they use on the G seems armoured plated.
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I think stone chipping is quite common on modern waterbased paints, especially the earliest types.

It isn't only Alfa's which suffer from it.
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I think stone chipping is quite common on modern waterbased paints, especially the earliest types.

It isn't only Alfa's which suffer from it.
But lacquer / clear coat peel where there's no damage or external influence
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But lacquer / clear coat peel where there's no damage or external influence
Sorry, I thought you mentioned chips in the original post.

It certainly doesn't look too good though
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Sorry, I thought you mentioned chips in the original post.

It certainly doesn't look too good though
There are tons of chipsjust no lacquer peel around them.

Where the peeling is, there are no chips
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I'll get some pics of mine today if I get chance SR, we can compare our poor paintwork and feel sorry for ourselves.

It really annoys me too and I know exactly how you feel.

I try my best to keep the car looking the best it can (minus a small parking ding in the door I must admit ) but the chips and general road rash on the bumpers/rear quarters goes through me everytime I look at the car.

Has the paint on your GT 'rubbed off' around where the door meets the body? I mentioned this to a dealer a while ago (Mango's) and they never got back to me. Need to find a dealer with their own body shop, I imagine they'd be more willing to play ball as they'd be doing the work themselves as I think mango's sub contract their body work stuff.
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