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For those in OZ thinking of buying a Diesel (inc. Alfa)

http://www.mellor.net/mellor/enews.n...toNews_435.pdf

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NB specifically relavnt to Austrlains rather than Europeans as we currently do not have the CO2 taxes etc that countries like the UK put on car emissions
THE increasing disparity between petrol and
diesel pump prices due to soaring demand for
diesel fuel in Asia has dramatically increased
the length of time it takes to recoup the extra
cost of purchasing diesel cars, a GoAuto
investigation has revealed.
The retail price of diesel in Sydney last week
reached $1.80 per litre – up to 35 cents more
than unleaded petrol at the same sites – and
experts predict the recent earthquake in China
could further increase the demand for diesel
there and therefore its retail price here.
The soaring cost of diesel, which has on
average increased more than 17 per cent so
far this year – far outstripping petrol but still
well below the international benchmark diesel
price rise of 40 per cent in Australian dollars in
2008 – has also attracted the attention of petrol
commissioner Pat Walker.
Last year, sales of petrol passenger cars to
business purchasers rose by more than 88 per
cent and sales to private buyers increased by
almost 63 per cent. Sales of diesel passenger
cars to private buyers have risen more than 50
per cent so far this year while private petrol car
sales have dropped by fi ve per cent.
In February, BMW predicted that diesel
models could comprise up to 80 per cent of its
sales within fi ve years and SsangYong has this
year repositioned its brand to offer an all-diesel
range. Data provided exclusively to GoAuto by
JATO Dynamics reveals that many European
brands are more reliant on diesel car sales than
ever. Peugeot increased its mix of diesel vehicle
sales from about 11 per cent in 2003 to more
than 52 per cent last year, while Volkswagen
went from just over a one per cent share of diesel
sales in 2003 to 46.5 per cent in 2007. Others,
including Alfa Romeo, Saab, Dodge, Chrysler
and Renault, have increased their diesel sales
mix from zero in 2003 to more than 30, 27, 16,
13 and 13 per cent respectively.
Diesel vehicles remain a tiny proportion of
overall new passenger car sales in Australia,
but that could soon change with news last week
that Holden has committed to producing a diesel
Commodore within two years, joining Ford which
last month confi rmed to GoAuto that it plans to
offer diesel versions of both its homegrown
Territory and Falcon models from 2010.
This time 12 months ago the wholesale
diesel price was $121.83 and unleaded petrol
cost $127.73 wholesale, making diesel roughly
six cents cheaper than petrol a year ago.
Based on the current wholesale price
disparity between petrol and diesel of 23 cents
per litre and an average annual mileage of
20,000km, it will take BMW 320d drivers more
than eight years to pay off their car’s $3100
higher purchase price over the equivalent 320i,
while the Hyundai i30 diesel’s $3500 price
premium over its petrol sibling will take more
than 11 years to recoup.
Calculated on a $4000 price premium over
the equivalent petrol version and an ADR81/01
average fuel consumption estimate of 8.5 litres
per 100km (compared with 10.8L/100km for the
petrol), it will take buyers of the forthcoming
Commodore diesel more than 12 years to pay
off their diesel investment. Twelve years!
Before the rapid diesel price hikes that
began about a year ago, Ford predicted a diesel
version of its Falcon would take between three
and fi ve years to offset its extra cost. Using the
same formula, a Falcon diesel could take an
extra 17 years to pay for itself on current diesel
prices. Let us repeat: 17 years.

See pdf above for more...........

or http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257455001A7C0E for html version




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Re: For those in OZ thinking of buying a Diesel (inc. Alfa)

from what the Rudd (our primeminister) government has been talking about in terms of emissions and 'cleaning' up the environment, i would not be surprised if australia does not adopt a carbon tax in the near future.

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I'm going to wait until Bundaberg goes into production with an alternative fuel and a higher octane. Surely wer'e getting close to an economically viable alternative from our sugar crops?
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Who knows what KRudd will do.....I am not sure that KRudd , himself, has a clue to what he will do......

He recently increased the Luxury car tax , aimed at making money from the "Rich' but if Luxury car sales decrease by 12000, his 'Commie' plans will be screwed....and he and his mates will make less money form Luxury sales I gather BMW has moved one of it's most popular models to below the threshold of A$59k (about 2900 cars sales).....

He also decided to try and make A$3 billion from an 'Alcopop' tax under the guise of saving teenagers from Booze.... But I suspect that the teenagers will just buy the basic ingredients...rum and coke for example rather than premixed to get around the tax increase.

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Looks like we are going the same way in SA
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it will take BMW 320d drivers more
than eight years to pay off their car’s $3100
higher purchase price over the equivalent 320i,
while the Hyundai i30 diesel’s $3500 price
premium over its petrol sibling will take more
than 11 years to recoup.
1. Nobody keeps cars that long
2. Even if they did, by the time the diesel's paid for itself, they've lost far more money (80% of the car's purchase price?) in depreciation anyway and spent the last decade driving a diesel!
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and spent the last decade driving a diesel!
Terrible, isn't it. All that power and torque just gone to waste.
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Although many like diesel engined cars, it is very much a personal thing, just like the shape and colour of a car...Unfotunately many are buying diesels to save money and that is likely to be false economy in a country like Asutralia.
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Another interesting article on Diesel in OZ vs Petrol and LPG
http://www.mellor.net/mellor/mellorw...o%20e-News
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I bought my 2.4 JTDm in mid-March this year. Good timing, huh? At least it's a bloody great blast to drive!!
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I bought my 2.4 JTDm in mid-March this year. Good timing, huh? At least it's a bloody great blast to drive!!
Be careful.....you can now likely to get a tax audit from the KRudd government because you have bought a "luxury' car in the last 2 years
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Terrible, isn't it. All that power and torque just gone to waste.
I've heard 70% or more of new Alfas sold are diesel - that isn't because of sales in this part of the world. We still mostly have old-fashioned attitudes to diesel cars because they offer negligible economic advantage, they've only started getting good recently and the strange people who like driving them are still relatively few in number.
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Who knows what KRudd will do.....I am not sure that KRudd , himself, has a clue to what he will do......

He recently increased the Luxury car tax , aimed at making money from the "Rich' but if Luxury car sales decrease by 12000, his 'Commie' plans will be screwed....and he and his mates will make less money form Luxury sales I gather BMW has moved one of it's most popular models to below the threshold of A$59k (about 2900 cars sales).....

He also decided to try and make A$3 billion from an 'Alcopop' tax under the guise of saving teenagers from Booze.... But I suspect that the teenagers will just buy the basic ingredients...rum and coke for example rather than premixed to get around the tax increase.
so, is this a thread about the economics of diesel Alfa's in Australia given global oil prices... or a bitter rant about Kevin Rudd?
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