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A Bit of good news for a change

On Tuesday morning I got a letter from those nice people at "Safety Camera Partnership" oh no not again this time I'm off the road for sure.
But NO!!! over two years ago I was done for speeding on a road that had not been awarded an ARO (I can't remember what that stands for) so, they've taken back their three points and are returning my fine!!!!
How bad is that????

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Good on you.

It is good to see that they recognize they failed you and have made amends to it.

Now that you have got the money back we can all come round for a drink

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Good news. Now get on to them for more money to make up for the increased premiums you've been paying for the last two years, the gits!
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Good news.

Surely there is some kinda of extra compensation for this kind of thing though, because to me it sounds like they were acting illegally - those three points could have affected your job, insurance premiums, all sorts.
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Sue them for stress , loss of insurance premiums, marital breakdown and anything else you can think of
 
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Sue them for stress , loss of insurance premiums, marital breakdown and anything else you can think of
What he said. Its time the tables were turned.
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Yeah - Good news but as above - Compensation surely applicable for increased insurance premiums and that high paid job you did not get due to the points on your licence
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wow that is pretty amazing!

you're one of 3500 people in herts that are opening the same letter
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It's good news from a personal point of view, yes.

BUT (There's always a 'BUT') that's still 3500 people who've been caught speeding and (albeit after a period of time) have had any punishment rescinded.

IMO the points and fines should be taken off, as there was quite clearly a legality involved so the punishment can't stand, but the offence should be kept on file for the full term, and if caught speeding at any point again during that term, drivers should get the old 3 points and fine back on top of the new offence
 
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It's good news from a personal point of view, yes.

BUT (There's always a 'BUT') that's still 3500 people who've been caught speeding and (albeit after a period of time) have had any punishment rescinded.

IMO the points and fines should be taken off, as there was quite clearly a legality involved so the punishment can't stand, but the offence should be kept on file for the full term, and if caught speeding at any point again during that term, drivers should get the old 3 points and fine back on top of the new offence
Yes but we cant just make up laws and rules as we please
 
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Yes but we cant just make up laws and rules as we please
No we can't, but this is a strange situation for sure.

Yes the legislation for this particular camera should have been in place, but equally people shouldn't have been speeding, and certainly shouldn't get off scott free IMO

Hope the people caught count their lucky stars and think twice before speeding in a 30mph zone again.
 
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No we can't, but this is a strange situation for sure.

Yes the legislation for this particular camera should have been in place, but equally people shouldn't have been speeding, and certainly shouldn't get off scott free IMO

Hope the people caught count their lucky stars and think twice before speeding in a 30mph zone again.
Good point HST, i hope so too, just before they contact a lawyer to sue
 
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It's good news from a personal point of view, yes.

BUT (There's always a 'BUT') that's still 3500 people who've been caught speeding and (albeit after a period of time) have had any punishment rescinded.

IMO the points and fines should be taken off, as there was quite clearly a legality involved so the punishment can't stand, but the offence should be kept on file for the full term, and if caught speeding at any point again during that term, drivers should get the old 3 points and fine back on top of the new offence

I'm just glad its not happening this way
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Hope the people caught count their lucky stars and think twice before speeding in a 30mph zone again.
They probably were 'speeding' because they didn't realise it was a 30mph zone, as the street lighting in the road is different to what it is in normal 30mph zones. They probably thought it was a national speed limit road, as I believe it wasn't a residential street.
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They probably were 'speeding' because they didn't realise it was a 30mph zone, as the street lighting in the road is different to what it is in normal 30mph zones. They probably thought it was a national speed limit road, as I believe it wasn't a residential street.
But it was signed as a 30mph zone, from what the reports say. And I don't think it particularly good practice to assume a speed limit based upon what you 'think'
 
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But it was signed as a 30mph zone, from what the reports say. And I don't think it particularly good practice to assume a speed limit based upon what you 'think'
Its pretty easy to miss a sign, a thirty zone has no repeaters remember, so if you missed the first one you would never know the limit had changed.

And remember the reason a 30 zone has no repeaters is because the street lighting is there to act as a repeater. If its not a road that has the correct street lighting, as a non-residential street like this one wouldn't have, it isn't allowed to become a thirty zone unless the council apply for it, which is what they didn't do in this case.

We can't have the authorities not following their own rules, or making them up as they go along, I'm suprised you disagree with this, normally its something we both agree on..

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Its pretty easy to miss a sign, a thirty zone has no repeaters remember, so if you missed the first one you would never know the limit had changed.

And remember the reason a 30 zone has no repeaters is because the street lighting is there to act as a repeater. If its not a road that has the correct street lighting, as a non-residential street like this one wouldn't have, it isn't allowed to become a thirty zone unless the council apply for it, which is what they didn't do in this case.

We can't have the authorities not following their own rules, or making them up as they go along, I'm suprised you disagree with this, normally its something we both agree on..

No we can't have authorities making rules up as they go along, which is why I agree that it's right that the penalties are taken away, but equally it's not right that 3,500 drivers have broken a speed limit (I'm willing to wager that a good number of those were locals and knew the road and were more than aware of the speed limit) to the extent that they've set a camera off, and have walked away scott free.

I stand by my original thought. let them off for this time, since there was a balls up with the planning procedure, but if they get caught again then whack the original charge back on them, since they obviosuly didn't learn from their very, very fortunate escape.

I'm a pretty laid back, leniant sort of person as a rule of thumb, but speeding in a 30mph zone is strictly for [censored] idiots

(and incidentally, some 30mph zones have repeaters, and 30mph road markings too, in both built up and rural areas)
 
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ARO......Accident Reduction Order....maybe??

If you were speeding ,then you shouldn't be, but we can all be a bit precious can't we as we all make mistakes. Well done. My three points expire in April.

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Wow what a week, I get my money back AND manage to ****** of some of my holier-than-thou bretheren.
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I stand by my original thought. let them off for this time, since there was a balls up with the planning procedure, but if they get caught again then whack the original charge back on them, since they obviosuly didn't learn from their very, very fortunate escape.
But that is making up a rule as you go along! Where is the precedent for that?

If councils want to start punishing people for not following the rules then the first thing they need to do is make sure THEY are following the rules..
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it is actually TRO - Traffic Regulation Order

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that's still 3500 people who've been caught speeding
without a TRO the speed limit was not 30, so they were not speeding. it isnt just the camera that was not legal, it was the speed limit too. they were driving faster than the speed limit sign, but legally that speed limit was not in place. that is why it would be wrong to give them the points if they get caught speeding again, they didnt break any speed limit the first time.

if i put a 'no parking' sign on your driveway, and then clamp your car when you park there, would it be ok to remove the clamp and not fine you, but then give you a double fine next time you did park illegally? surely if the 30 sign is enough to count as speeding in your mind then a 'no parking' sign on your driveway is just as valid.

if the speed limit was in place and it was only the camera that was the problem then it would be a different situation, but legally that road did not have a 30mph speed limit at the time so 3500 people were not speeding, it doesnt matter what sign you put on the road the law is still the law and the speed limit is still the speed limit, a sign doesnt change that.

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Good clear response jug - I agree with you on all of that BUT I have never questioned a 30MPH sign or any other speed limit sign - Why would you?
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